[Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
Tom Reijnders
reijnders at tor.nl
Thu Feb 9 09:26:27 GMT 2012
About SCORM:
Once the modularization and the internationalization is form in place, I
want to enable scorm for all models that make sense. We have requests to
even track whether a pupil has 'visited' a youtube page.
So we will have the ability to track much more in the future.
That being said, SCORM still is rather tricky to work with, there are
too many implementations out there that do different things. So we
should really be careful to set the expectations right.
Another thing I want to try is to use remote LO's with scorm, i.e. from
XOT, create a manifest that uses the LO directly from toolkits. All the
assets (images, videos, etc) will remain in XOT. This will GREATLY
improve the maintainability of LO's.
The SCORM packages we build now contain a LOT of unnecessary data we can
safely leave out.
I have this sort of working for the moodle integration. It is not yet
working for a generic XOT because of cross domain flash issues. I need
to look into that, because I don't know enough of flash cross domain
issues to even tell whether it is possible or not, and we go that route
(refer to xot directly in SCORM) I think it should be a generic solution
that will work for the majority of set ups, and not only for moodle
where xot is installed inside the moodle tree.
Tom
Op 9-2-2012 10:04, Julian Tenney schreef:
>
> The options for saving data are:
>
> - cache it for the current session (write to the xml or somewhere else
> convenient);
>
> - Save between sessions for same user on same machine -- use SharedObject;
>
> - Save between sessions for a roaming user logging in from anywhere.
> Needs user login and authentication (how would the sandpit do this --
> no LMS, no LDAP, no list of end-users), LMS or custom functionality to
> save data.
>
> 1^st is easy.
>
> 2^nd more difficult, but probably simple enough -- but might not be
> worth the effort as many users roam -- use LOs at home, in library, etc).
>
> 3^rd option is an LMS thing or a custom data tracking solution. You
> have to have users with usernames and passwords (and support issues
> when they can't log in). Tom was looking into SCORMing the
> interactions, which seems a potential solution. I am a little cautious
> about the amount of support this would create: what I definitely don't
> want to do is to start creating loads of support issues when you start
> managing usernames, passwords, etc. Think about the sandpit scenario
> -- how would it work best for that?
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Dave Burnett
> *Sent:* 08 February 2012 15:15
> *To:* Xerte list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> We have 2 sort-of-separate issues going here:
>
> - Having pages retain input during session
>
> - Having the ability to Save/Print input
>
> The mechanics are thus:
>
> To instantiate a page, the engine reads a block of XML and uses those
> instructions to create the page components the user sees.
>
> When you "turn the page", those components are deleted, and the next
> page worth of components are created.
>
> To retain page information **just during a session**, we would need to
> write the information we want to retain into the underlying XML block
> for that page.
>
> All of that information disappears when the LO is restarted/reloaded
>
> Saving content beyond the session requires other mechanisms:
>
> - LO is housed within a compliant LMS/VLE. Data can be sent/retrieved
> via SCORM calls.
>
> - LO can call .asp/php/whatever middleware to write/retrieve data from
> server text file or database.
>
> So first we need a consensus on what is most desired.
>
> Session persistent or long-term persistent?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 04:46:09 -0800
> From: briananthonyfinch at yahoo.com
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> This is essentially the same query I raised a couple of weeks ago
> about being able to save your work and go back to it. Someone on
> another site suggested that it could be done through Moodle but since
> nobody has proposed that here does that mean it won't work? I have not
> yet pursued the idea and don't know much about Moodle.
>
> I don't know how hard the programing is but it would be immensely
> powerful for a learner to be able to check a model answer against
> their own and to look back at what they have done as they progress.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *Brian Finch 52 Middleway, London NW11 6SG tel:
> 44 02(0) 8455 6036 mob: 07773 407383*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> *To:* Xerte discussion list <xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 8, 2012 12:31 PM
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> There's a 'model answer' in the new tempales..?
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 08 February 2012 12:22
> *To:* 'Xerte discussion list'
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> If enough people request it Julian might just be persuaded to include
> my two compare answer page types! ;-)
>
> http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_4
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 08 February 2012 11:02
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> We can't create / save a file in Word -- the user can cut and paste at
> the minute. Potentially could do a nicer job of building up the text
> to cut / paste, or send it to server for some processing / turn it
> into a doc of some sort on the server.
>
> *From:*xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Davidson,
> Andrew
> *Sent:* 08 February 2012 10:56
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
>
> Hi
>
> With the Model Answer pagetype (type in some text in a box) would it
> be possible to have a function which allows the user to save the text
> created to a word file and also allows the editor of the page to
> choose whether the page should be cleared or not when the user moves
> forward or back through the xerte course pages?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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