[Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
Ron Mitchell
ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
Thu Feb 9 10:06:43 GMT 2012
All sounds great Tom!
Agree many but not all current models would be good to have some tracking.
Remote LO tracking sounds great too - agree that exporting and importing
loses so much of the benefits of quick updates etc.
I look after a number of Moodle installations so happy to help at some
point.
Cheers
Ron
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 09 February 2012 09:26
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
About SCORM:
Once the modularization and the internationalization is form in place, I
want to enable scorm for all models that make sense. We have requests to
even track whether a pupil has 'visited' a youtube page.
So we will have the ability to track much more in the future.
That being said, SCORM still is rather tricky to work with, there are too
many implementations out there that do different things. So we should really
be careful to set the expectations right.
Another thing I want to try is to use remote LO's with scorm, i.e. from XOT,
create a manifest that uses the LO directly from toolkits. All the assets
(images, videos, etc) will remain in XOT. This will GREATLY improve the
maintainability of LO's.
The SCORM packages we build now contain a LOT of unnecessary data we can
safely leave out.
I have this sort of working for the moodle integration. It is not yet
working for a generic XOT because of cross domain flash issues. I need to
look into that, because I don't know enough of flash cross domain issues to
even tell whether it is possible or not, and we go that route (refer to xot
directly in SCORM) I think it should be a generic solution that will work
for the majority of set ups, and not only for moodle where xot is installed
inside the moodle tree.
Tom
Op 9-2-2012 10:04, Julian Tenney schreef:
The options for saving data are:
- cache it for the current session (write to the xml or somewhere else
convenient);
- Save between sessions for same user on same machine - use SharedObject;
- Save between sessions for a roaming user logging in from anywhere. Needs
user login and authentication (how would the sandpit do this - no LMS, no
LDAP, no list of end-users), LMS or custom functionality to save data.
1st is easy.
2nd more difficult, but probably simple enough - but might not be worth the
effort as many users roam - use LOs at home, in library, etc).
3rd option is an LMS thing or a custom data tracking solution. You have to
have users with usernames and passwords (and support issues when they can't
log in). Tom was looking into SCORMing the interactions, which seems a
potential solution. I am a little cautious about the amount of support this
would create: what I definitely don't want to do is to start creating loads
of support issues when you start managing usernames, passwords, etc. Think
about the sandpit scenario - how would it work best for that?
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 08 February 2012 15:15
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
We have 2 sort-of-separate issues going here:
- Having pages retain input during session
- Having the ability to Save/Print input
The mechanics are thus:
To instantiate a page, the engine reads a block of XML and uses those
instructions to create the page components the user sees.
When you "turn the page", those components are deleted, and the next page
worth of components are created.
To retain page information **just during a session**, we would need to write
the information we want to retain into the underlying XML block for that
page.
All of that information disappears when the LO is restarted/reloaded
Saving content beyond the session requires other mechanisms:
- LO is housed within a compliant LMS/VLE. Data can be sent/retrieved via
SCORM calls.
- LO can call .asp/php/whatever middleware to write/retrieve data from
server text file or database.
So first we need a consensus on what is most desired.
Session persistent or long-term persistent?
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 04:46:09 -0800
From: briananthonyfinch at yahoo.com
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
This is essentially the same query I raised a couple of weeks ago about
being able to save your work and go back to it. Someone on another site
suggested that it could be done through Moodle but since nobody has proposed
that here does that mean it won't work? I have not yet pursued the idea and
don't know much about Moodle.
I don't know how hard the programing is but it would be immensely powerful
for a learner to be able to check a model answer against their own and to
look back at what they have done as they progress.
_____
Brian Finch 52 Middleway, London NW11 6SG tel: 44
02(0) 8455 6036 mob: 07773 407383
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Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 12:31 PM
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
There's a 'model answer' in the new tempales..?
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 08 February 2012 12:22
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
If enough people request it Julian might just be persuaded to include my two
compare answer page types! ;-)
http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_4
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 08 February 2012 11:02
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
We can't create / save a file in Word - the user can cut and paste at the
minute. Potentially could do a nicer job of building up the text to cut /
paste, or send it to server for some processing / turn it into a doc of some
sort on the server.
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson, Andrew
Sent: 08 February 2012 10:56
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Subject: [Xerte] Query about model answer pagetype in XOT
Hi
With the Model Answer pagetype (type in some text in a box) would it be
possible to have a function which allows the user to save the text created
to a word file and also allows the editor of the page to choose whether the
page should be cleared or not when the user moves forward or back through
the xerte course pages?
Thanks in advance,
Andy
Centre for Applied Linguistics
Room 0.39 (Social Sciences building)
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