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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All sounds great Tom!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Agree many but not all current models would be good to have some tracking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Remote LO tracking sounds great too - agree that exporting and importing loses so much of the benefits of quick updates etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I look after a number of Moodle installations so happy to help at some point.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Reijnders<br><b>Sent:</b> 09 February 2012 09:26<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>About SCORM:<br><br>Once the modularization and the internationalization is form in place, I want to enable scorm for all models that make sense. We have requests to even track whether a pupil has 'visited' a youtube page.<br><br>So we will have the ability to track much more in the future. <br><br>That being said, SCORM still is rather tricky to work with, there are too many implementations out there that do different things. So we should really be careful to set the expectations right.<br><br>Another thing I want to try is to use remote LO's with scorm, i.e. from XOT, create a manifest that uses the LO directly from toolkits. All the assets (images, videos, etc) will remain in XOT. This will GREATLY improve the maintainability of LO's.<br><br>The SCORM packages we build now contain a LOT of unnecessary data we can safely leave out.<br><br>I have this sort of working for the moodle integration. It is not yet working for a generic XOT because of cross domain flash issues. I need to look into that, because I don't know enough of flash cross domain issues to even tell whether it is possible or not, and we go that route (refer to xot directly in SCORM) I think it should be a generic solution that will work for the majority of set ups, and not only for moodle where xot is installed inside the moodle tree.<br><br>Tom<br><br>Op 9-2-2012 10:04, Julian Tenney schreef: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The options for saving data are:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- cache it for the current session (write to the xml or somewhere else convenient);</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Save between sessions for same user on same machine – use SharedObject;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Save between sessions for a roaming user logging in from anywhere. Needs user login and authentication (how would the sandpit do this – no LMS, no LDAP, no list of end-users), LMS or custom functionality to save data.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>1<sup>st</sup> is easy.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>2<sup>nd</sup> more difficult, but probably simple enough – but might not be worth the effort as many users roam – use LOs at home, in library, etc).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>3<sup>rd</sup> option is an LMS thing or a custom data tracking solution. You have to have users with usernames and passwords (and support issues when they can’t log in). Tom was looking into SCORMing the interactions, which seems a potential solution. I am a little cautious about the amount of support this would create: what I definitely don’t want to do is to start creating loads of support issues when you start managing usernames, passwords, etc. Think about the sandpit scenario – how would it work best for that?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Burnett<br><b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 15:15<br><b>To:</b> Xerte list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>We have 2 sort-of-separate issues going here:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>- Having pages retain input during session</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>- Having the ability to Save/Print input </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>The mechanics are thus:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To instantiate a page, the engine reads a block of XML and uses those instructions to create the page components the user sees.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>When you "turn the page", those components are deleted, and the next page worth of components are created.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>To retain page information **just during a session**, we would need to write the information we want to retain into the underlying XML block for that page.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>All of that information disappears when the LO is restarted/reloaded</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Saving content beyond the session requires other mechanisms:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>- LO is housed within a compliant LMS/VLE. Data can be sent/retrieved via SCORM calls.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>- LO can call .asp/php/whatever middleware to write/retrieve data from server text file or database.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>So first we need a consensus on what is most desired.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Session persistent or long-term persistent?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 04:46:09 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:briananthonyfinch@yahoo.com">briananthonyfinch@yahoo.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>This is essentially the same query I raised a couple of weeks ago about being able to save your work and go back to it. Someone on another site suggested that it could be done through Moodle but since nobody has proposed that here does that mean it won't work? I have not yet pursued the idea and don't know much about Moodle.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I don't know how hard the programing is but it would be immensely powerful for a learner to be able to check a model answer against their own and to look back at what they have done as they progress.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Brian Finch 52 Middleway, London NW11 6SG tel: 44 02(0) 8455 6036 mob: 07773 407383</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Julian Tenney <a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk"><Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk></a><br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list <a href="mailto:xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk></a> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 8, 2012 12:31 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=ecxyiv60412673><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There’s a ‘model answer’ in the new tempales..?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Mitchell<br><b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 12:22<br><b>To:</b> 'Xerte discussion list'<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If enough people request it Julian might just be persuaded to include my two compare answer page types! ;-) </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_4">http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_4</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 11:02<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We can’t create / save a file in Word – the user can cut and paste at the minute. Potentially could do a nicer job of building up the text to cut / paste, or send it to server for some processing / turn it into a doc of some sort on the server.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div style='margin-left:72.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Davidson, Andrew<br><b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 10:56<br><b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Query about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div style='margin-left:72.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:72.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Hi<br><br>With the Model Answer pagetype (type in some text in a box) would it be possible to have a function which allows the user to save the text created to a word file and also allows the editor of the page to choose whether the page should be cleared or not when the user moves forward or back through the xerte course pages?<br><br>Thanks in advance,<br><br>Andy<br><br><br><br>Centre for Applied Linguistics<br>Room 0.39 (Social Sciences building)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div style='margin-left:36.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt;background:white'>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. 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