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About SCORM:<br>
<br>
Once the modularization and the internationalization is form in
place, I want to enable scorm for all models that make sense. We
have requests to even track whether a pupil has 'visited' a youtube
page.<br>
<br>
So we will have the ability to track much more in the future. <br>
<br>
That being said, SCORM still is rather tricky to work with, there
are too many implementations out there that do different things. So
we should really be careful to set the expectations right.<br>
<br>
Another thing I want to try is to use remote LO's with scorm, i.e.
from XOT, create a manifest that uses the LO directly from toolkits.
All the assets (images, videos, etc) will remain in XOT. This will
GREATLY improve the maintainability of LO's.<br>
<br>
The SCORM packages we build now contain a LOT of unnecessary data we
can safely leave out.<br>
<br>
I have this sort of working for the moodle integration. It is not
yet working for a generic XOT because of cross domain flash issues.
I need to look into that, because I don't know enough of flash cross
domain issues to even tell whether it is possible or not, and we go
that route (refer to xot directly in SCORM) I think it should be a
generic solution that will work for the majority of set ups, and not
only for moodle where xot is installed inside the moodle tree.<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
<br>
Op 9-2-2012 10:04, Julian Tenney schreef:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
options for saving data are:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-
cache it for the current session (write to the xml or
somewhere else convenient);<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-
Save between sessions for same user on same machine – use
SharedObject;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-
Save between sessions for a roaming user logging in from
anywhere. Needs user login and authentication (how would the
sandpit do this – no LMS, no LDAP, no list of end-users),
LMS or custom functionality to save data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1<sup>st</sup>
is easy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2<sup>nd</sup>
more difficult, but probably simple enough – but might not
be worth the effort as many users roam – use LOs at home, in
library, etc).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">3<sup>rd</sup>
option is an LMS thing or a custom data tracking solution.
You have to have users with usernames and passwords (and
support issues when they can’t log in). Tom was looking into
SCORMing the interactions, which seems a potential solution.
I am a little cautious about the amount of support this
would create: what I definitely don’t want to do is to start
creating loads of support issues when you start managing
usernames, passwords, etc. Think about the sandpit scenario
– how would it work best for that?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Dave Burnett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 15:15<br>
<b>To:</b> Xerte list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer
pagetype in XOT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">We
have 2 sort-of-separate issues going here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">-
Having pages retain input during session<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">-
Having the ability to Save/Print input <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">The
mechanics are thus:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To
instantiate a page, the engine reads a block of XML and
uses those instructions to create the page components
the user sees.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">When
you "turn the page", those components are deleted, and
the next page worth of components are created.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To
retain page information **just during a session**, we
would need to write the information we want to retain
into the underlying XML block for that page.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">All
of that information disappears when the LO is
restarted/reloaded<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Saving
content beyond the session requires other mechanisms:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">-
LO is housed within a compliant LMS/VLE. Data can be
sent/retrieved via SCORM calls.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">-
LO can call .asp/php/whatever middleware to
write/retrieve data from server text file or database.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">So
first we need a consensus on what is most desired.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Session
persistent or long-term persistent?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Date:
Wed, 8 Feb 2012 04:46:09 -0800<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:briananthonyfinch@yahoo.com">briananthonyfinch@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype
in XOT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">This
is essentially the same query I raised a couple of
weeks ago about being able to save your work and go
back to it. Someone on another site suggested that
it could be done through Moodle but since nobody has
proposed that here does that mean it won't work? I
have not yet pursued the idea and don't know much
about Moodle.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I
don't know how hard the programing is but it would
be immensely powerful for a learner to be able to
check a model answer against their own and to look
back at what they have done as they progress.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Brian
Finch 52 Middleway, London NW11
6SG tel: 44 02(0) 8455 6036 mob: 07773
407383</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">
Julian Tenney
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk"><Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk></a><br>
<b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk"><xerte@lists.nottingham.ac.uk></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 8, 2012 12:31
PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query about model
answer pagetype in XOT</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There’s
a ‘model answer’ in the new tempales..?</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:white"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Mitchell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 12:22<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Xerte discussion list'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query
about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><span
style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 08 February 2012 11:02<br>
<b>To:</b> Xerte discussion list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Xerte] Re: Query
about model answer pagetype in XOT</span><span
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can’t create / save a file in Word – the
user can cut and paste at the minute.
Potentially could do a nicer job of
building up the text to cut / paste, or
send it to server for some processing /
turn it into a doc of some sort on the
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style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Hi<br>
<br>
With the Model Answer pagetype (type in
some text in a box) would it be possible
to have a function which allows the user
to save the text created to a word file
and also allows the editor of the page to
choose whether the page should be cleared
or not when the user moves forward or
back through the xerte course pages?<br>
<br>
Thanks in advance,<br>
<br>
Andy<br>
<br>
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<br>
Centre for Applied Linguistics<br>
Room 0.39 (Social Sciences building)</span><span
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