[Syrphidae] Chalcosyrphus fulviventris
Gerard Pennards
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Wed Feb 5 15:58:57 GMT 2020
Dear all,
I think the reason Hippa doesn't mention it in his 1978 publication is due to the fact he synonymized it already in his work of 1968!
See attachment, it was called Xylota (Xylotomima) fulviventris, but he refers to it as Xylotomima fulviventris (Bigot).
He is convinced the animal from Corse is just a dark Chalcosyrphus piger.
Kind regards,
Gerard
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1. Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot) (w.v.steenis at casema.nl)
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 22:37:43 +0100
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To: '?ukasz Mielczarek' <lukasz at insects.pl>, "'Bastiaan'"
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Subject: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot)
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Thanks Lukasz,
This is an interesting picture. The Aat specimen I have here is totally black. The specimen in the picture has partly red sternites.
I become more convinced it is a different species. Besides the colour difference I see obvious difference in pollinosity on the tergites (very little in C. piger, almost 50% of T2 and 30% of T3 in ?fulviventris?). Better study might reveal other differences, I only have one female fulviventris and 3 (mostly old) females of C. piger.
Best wishes,
Wouter
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Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot)
Hi Bastian,
You can see observation of this Chalcosyrphus on Diptera.info.
https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7 <https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7&thread_id=63044> &thread_id=63044
I known one old specimen from Corsica in Polish colection.
Regards,
Lukasz
pon., 3 lut 2020, 00:02 u?ytkownik Bastiaan <bwakkie at syrphidae.com <mailto:bwakkie at syrphidae.com> > napisa?:
Hi Wouter,
In Systema Dipterorum it is stated as valid, see image.
regards,
Bastiaan
On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 19:54 +0100, w.v.steenis at casema.nl <mailto:w.v.steenis at casema.nl> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of Chalcosyrphus in Corsica (France). It is a
> Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you easily run to Chalcosyrphus
> fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus
> piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to
> fulviventris at all.
>
> If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, please let us know.
>
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> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Wouter van Steenis
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> Van: syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> <syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:syrphidae-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> > Namens
> Jeroen van Steenis
> Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43
> Aan: Gerard Pennards <gerard_pennards at hotmail.com <mailto:gerard_pennards at hotmail.com> >
> CC: syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk <mailto:syrphidae at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query
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> Dear Gerard
>
>
>
> They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender
> for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the other one.
>
> I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from Serbia. would be nice to get hold
> of males too.
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>
> There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige 2018.
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> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Jeroen
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> Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards <gerard_pennards at hotmail.com <mailto:gerard_pennards at hotmail.com> <mailto:
> gerard_pennards at hotmail.com <mailto:gerard_pennards at hotmail.com> > >:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can help me.
>
> I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in Georgia, and the other from a Russian
> Macro photos website.
>
> Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from Northern Georgia which is called
> Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link:
> http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata
>
> The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not identified. It is the same species as
> the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link:
> http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512
>
> My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus chrysites, but it doesn't look like the
> normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some differences in pilosity, and other features.
>
> Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people who had been in Georgia, but a
> species like this was not seen.
>
> Thanks in advance, greetings,
>
> Gerard
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