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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks Lukasz,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>This is an interesting picture. The Aat specimen I have here is totally black. The specimen in the picture has partly red sternites. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>I become more convinced it is a different species. Besides the colour difference I see obvious difference in pollinosity on the tergites (very little in C. piger, almost 50% of T2 and 30% of T3 in ‘fulviventris’). Better study might reveal other differences, I only have one female fulviventris and 3 (mostly old) females of C. piger.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Wouter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Van:</b> syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk <syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk> <b>Namens </b>Lukasz Mielczarek<br><b>Verzonden:</b> maandag 3 februari 2020 08:32<br><b>Aan:</b> Bastiaan <bwakkie@syrphidae.com><br><b>CC:</b> Hoverfly discussion list <syrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Bastian,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>You can see observation of this Chalcosyrphus on Diptera.info.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7&thread_id=63044">https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7&thread_id=63044</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I known one old specimen from Corsica in Polish colection.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Lukasz<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>pon., 3 lut 2020, 00:02 użytkownik Bastiaan <<a href="mailto:bwakkie@syrphidae.com">bwakkie@syrphidae.com</a>> napisał:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Wouter,<br><br>In Systema Dipterorum it is stated as valid, see image.<br><br><br>regards,<br>Bastiaan<br><br><br>On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 19:54 +0100, <a href="mailto:w.v.steenis@casema.nl" target="_blank">w.v.steenis@casema.nl</a> wrote:<br>> Dear all,<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of Chalcosyrphus in Corsica (France). It is a<br>> Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you easily run to Chalcosyrphus<br>> fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus<br>> piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to<br>> fulviventris at all.<br>> <br>> If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, please let us know.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Best wishes,<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Wouter van Steenis<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Van: <a href="mailto:syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> <<a href="mailto:syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>> Namens<br>> Jeroen van Steenis<br>> Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43<br>> Aan: Gerard Pennards <<a href="mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com" target="_blank">gerard_pennards@hotmail.com</a>><br>> CC: <a href="mailto:syrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">syrphidae@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>> Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Dear Gerard<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender<br>> for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the other one.<br>> <br>> I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from Serbia. would be nice to get hold<br>> of males too.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige 2018.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Best wishes,<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Jeroen<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards <<a href="mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com" target="_blank">gerard_pennards@hotmail.com</a> <mailto:<br>> <a href="mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com" target="_blank">gerard_pennards@hotmail.com</a>> >:<br>> <br>> Dear all,<br>> <br>> I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can help me.<br>> <br>> I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in Georgia, and the other from a Russian<br>> Macro photos website.<br>> <br>> Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from Northern Georgia which is called<br>> Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link: <br>> <a href="http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata" target="_blank">http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata</a><br>> <br>> The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not identified. It is the same species as<br>> the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link: <br>> <a href="http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512" target="_blank">http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512</a><br>> <br>> My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus chrysites, but it doesn't look like the<br>> normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some differences in pilosity, and other features.<br>> <br>> Has someone encountered these before? 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