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I think the reason Hippa doesn't mention it in his 1978 publication is due to the fact he synonymized it already in his work of 1968!</div>
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See attachment, it was called Xylota (Xylotomima) fulviventris, but he refers to it as Xylotomima fulviventris (Bigot).</div>
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He is convinced the animal from Corse is just a dark Chalcosyrphus piger.</div>
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Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 22:37:43 +0100<br>
From: <w.v.steenis@casema.nl><br>
To: '?ukasz Mielczarek' <lukasz@insects.pl>, "'Bastiaan'"<br>
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Subject: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot)<br>
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Thanks Lukasz,<br>
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This is an interesting picture. The Aat specimen I have here is totally black. The specimen in the picture has partly red sternites.
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I become more convinced it is a different species. Besides the colour difference I see obvious difference in pollinosity on the tergites (very little in C. piger, almost 50% of T2 and 30% of T3 in ?fulviventris?). Better study might reveal other differences,
I only have one female fulviventris and 3 (mostly old) females of C. piger.<br>
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Van: syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk <syrphidae-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk> Namens Lukasz Mielczarek<br>
Verzonden: maandag 3 februari 2020 08:32<br>
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Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Chalcosyrphus fulviventris (Bigot)<br>
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Hi Bastian,<br>
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You can see observation of this Chalcosyrphus on Diptera.info.<br>
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<a href="https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7">https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7</a> <<a href="https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7&thread_id=63044">https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=7&thread_id=63044</a>>
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I known one old specimen from Corsica in Polish colection.<br>
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pon., 3 lut 2020, 00:02 u?ytkownik Bastiaan <bwakkie@syrphidae.com <<a href="mailto:bwakkie@syrphidae.com">mailto:bwakkie@syrphidae.com</a>> > napisa?:<br>
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Hi Wouter,<br>
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In Systema Dipterorum it is stated as valid, see image.<br>
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On Sun, 2020-02-02 at 19:54 +0100, w.v.steenis@casema.nl <<a href="mailto:w.v.steenis@casema.nl">mailto:w.v.steenis@casema.nl</a>> wrote:<br>
> Dear all,<br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> Aat Barendregt collected some specimens of Chalcosyrphus in Corsica (France). It is a<br>
> Chalcosyrphus with totally black abdomen. In Seguy (1961) you easily run to Chalcosyrphus<br>
> fulviventris, a presumed endemic of Corsica. In Peck (1988) this is a synonym of Chalcosyrphus<br>
> piger. We cannot find any publication that explains this synonymy. Hippa (1978) does not refer to<br>
> fulviventris at all.<br>
> <br>
> If you have an idea where to look for the formal synonymy, please let us know.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Best wishes,<br>
> <br>
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> <br>
> Wouter van Steenis<br>
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> Verzonden: donderdag 30 januari 2020 18:43<br>
> Aan: Gerard Pennards <gerard_pennards@hotmail.com <<a href="mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com">mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com</a>> ><br>
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> Onderwerp: [Syrphidae] Re: Identification query<br>
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> Dear Gerard<br>
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> <br>
> They must be Brachypalpus and closest is chrysites or zugmayeriae. The metafemur is too slender<br>
> for chrysites and the pile is too orange. I do not know the other one.<br>
> <br>
> I am sure it is not the female of the undescribed species from Serbia. would be nice to get hold<br>
> of males too.<br>
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> There is a picture of the male of zugmayeriae in Mutin & Ichige 2018.<br>
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> Best wishes,<br>
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> Jeroen<br>
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> Op do 30 jan. 2020 om 14:28 schreef Gerard Pennards <gerard_pennards@hotmail.com <<a href="mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com">mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com</a>> <mailto:<br>
> gerard_pennards@hotmail.com <<a href="mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com">mailto:gerard_pennards@hotmail.com</a>> > >:<br>
> <br>
> Dear all,<br>
> <br>
> I have a identification query for you and I hope someone can help me.<br>
> <br>
> I have added two links, one from a biodiversity website in Georgia, and the other from a Russian<br>
> Macro photos website.<br>
> <br>
> Both pictures come from the Northern Caucasus, one picture from Northern Georgia which is called<br>
> Cheilosia illustrate but it's clearly not. See link: <br>
> <a href="http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata">
http://biodiversity-georgia.net/index.php?taxon=Cheilosia%20illustrata</a><br>
> <br>
> The other one is from a Russian photo website and was not identified. It is the same species as<br>
> the Georgian one I think, but it's a strange species. See link: <br>
> <a href="http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512">http://macroclub.ru/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/238361/cat/512</a><br>
> <br>
> My idea is that it should be the female of Brachypalpus chrysites, but it doesn't look like the<br>
> normal yellow haired form. Also there seem to be some differences in pilosity, and other features.<br>
> <br>
> Has someone encountered these before? I have asked some people who had been in Georgia, but a<br>
> species like this was not seen.<br>
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> Thanks in advance, greetings,<br>
> <br>
> Gerard<br>
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