[Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options

[Tom Reijnders]

Ok. I can understand that. So...

- I cannot change the name of the option (anymore) as this would break 
older LO's, otherwise we should call it 'label' in stead of 'name'
- The attribute 'name' is currently always put as the first field in the 
wizard form, as this used to be the title

I created a prototype where I make a distinction between 'name' fields 
with wysiwyg enabled and 'name'  fields with wysiwyg disabled and I 
changed the default text inside of those fields:

  - So the Label field will no longer be the first field on the form
  - It states it's a tree/tracking label

What do you think?





Op 7-6-2017 om 11:20 schreef Fay Cross:
>
> That’s fine Tom but I agree with Ron when he says we need to make it 
> more obvious what the label field is for.
>
> Every single time I create a quiz page I write the question and 
> options in the label fields (as the default text in these boxes says 
> ‘question’ & ‘option’) and then when I preview I just see ‘Here is a 
> prompt’ & lots of ‘here is an option’. I know I should have learnt by 
> now that this is not what to do but for some reason my brain does not 
> accept that the question doesn’t get written where it says question! 
> I’m sure lots of new users must get confused by this too.
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron 
> Mitchell
> *Sent:* 07 June 2017 08:54
> *To:* 'For Xerte technical developers' <xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in 
> sub-pages like questions and options
>
> Yeah hope the trip to Philly has proved worthwhile!
>
> I’d make the following comments about labels…
>
> Sounds like a good plan to have plain text only labels for tracking etc
>
> Obviously needs to work with existing projects without needing loads 
> of manual edits e.g. authors should only need to edit/rename when they 
> want the management/tracking benefits of doing so.
>
> Ideally we should have a way of visually showing in the tree/editor 
> what icons/fields aren’t shown on the pages of the LO and only used 
> for tree clarity and tracking purposes etc
>
> Does this have implications for the other project templates too? I 
> know we don’t have tracking etc in those but for consistency/clarity 
> e.g. new users are often confused about the icons/fields in the other 
> templates and which are tree only and which appear on pages.
>
> Ron
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of 
> *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 07 June 2017 07:47
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in 
> sub-pages like questions and options
>
> I don't see any problem with that Tom. I hope you guys are having a 
> good time at the conference!
>
> Julian
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> 
> <xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> on behalf of Tom 
> Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl <mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>>
> *Sent:* 07 June 2017 02:41
> *To:* xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Tracking and the use of labels/names in 
> sub-pages like questions and options
>
> Hi all,
>
> There are some inconsistencies and I think misunderstandings about the
> usefullness of labels to name items in the page tree of the Nottingham
> template. I want us to agree on the use of those, before I go over all
> the interactivities again to add them.
>
> 1. First of all, these labels were added to make authoring/maintenance
> easier, i.e. to give a label to the tree nodes of the tree. So if you
> have a quiz with 5 questions, you can quickly identify the questions by
> labeling them.
> 2. I noticed that for the tracking code, it's also very usefull to have
> these labels in place, and to use these instead of for eaxmple the
> questions and/or option texts themselves. There are two reasons for that:
>       - The questions and options (and other elements) can be html5
> formatted, and SCORM and xAPI do not particularly like html5 formatted
> texts.
>       - Sometimes thte questions and/or options (or any other elements)
> consist of only an image, and I cannot use that for tracking.
>
> So I would like to propose to add labels to facilitate authoring (or
> more specifically make maintenance of the content easier) and also use
> these labels in the tracking code.
>
> Any comments/additions/objections/alternatives are very welcome!
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom
>
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