[Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options

Thu Jun 8 07:57:34 BST 2017

I think that'll be fine.
Thanks Tom

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 07 June 2017 17:23
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options

Ok. I can understand that. So...

- I cannot change the name of the option (anymore) as this would break older LO's, otherwise we should call it 'label' in stead of 'name'
- The attribute 'name' is currently always put as the first field in the wizard form, as this used to be the title

I created a prototype where I make a distinction between 'name' fields with wysiwyg enabled and 'name'  fields with wysiwyg disabled and I changed the default text inside of those fields:

 - So the Label field will no longer be the first field on the form
 - It states it's a tree/tracking label

What do you think?

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Op 7-6-2017 om 11:20 schreef Fay Cross:
That's fine Tom but I agree with Ron when he says we need to make it more obvious what the label field is for.

Every single time I create a quiz page I write the question and options in the label fields (as the default text in these boxes says 'question' & 'option') and then when I preview I just see 'Here is a prompt' & lots of 'here is an option'. I know I should have learnt by now that this is not what to do but for some reason my brain does not accept that the question doesn't get written where it says question! I'm sure lots of new users must get confused by this too.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 07 June 2017 08:54
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options

Yeah hope the trip to Philly has proved worthwhile!

I'd make the following comments about labels...

Sounds like a good plan to have plain text only labels for tracking etc
Obviously needs to work with existing projects without needing loads of manual edits e.g. authors should only need to edit/rename when they want the management/tracking benefits of doing so.
Ideally we should have a way of visually showing in the tree/editor what icons/fields aren't shown on the pages of the LO and only used for tree clarity and tracking purposes etc
Does this have implications for the other project templates too? I know we don't have tracking etc in those but for consistency/clarity e.g. new users are often confused about the icons/fields in the other templates and which are tree only and which appear on pages.

Ron

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 June 2017 07:47
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options

I don't see any problem with that Tom. I hope you guys are having a good time at the conference!

Julian

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> <xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> on behalf of Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl<mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>>
Sent: 07 June 2017 02:41
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Tracking and the use of labels/names in sub-pages like questions and options

Hi all,

There are some inconsistencies and I think misunderstandings about the
usefullness of labels to name items in the page tree of the Nottingham
template. I want us to agree on the use of those, before I go over all
the interactivities again to add them.

1. First of all, these labels were added to make authoring/maintenance
easier, i.e. to give a label to the tree nodes of the tree. So if you
have a quiz with 5 questions, you can quickly identify the questions by
labeling them.
2. I noticed that for the tracking code, it's also very usefull to have
these labels in place, and to use these instead of for eaxmple the
questions and/or option texts themselves. There are two reasons for that:
      - The questions and options (and other elements) can be html5
formatted, and SCORM and xAPI do not particularly like html5 formatted
texts.
      - Sometimes thte questions and/or options (or any other elements)
consist of only an image, and I cannot use that for tracking.

So I would like to propose to add labels to facilitate authoring (or
more specifically make maintenance of the content easier) and also use
these labels in the tracking code.

Any comments/additions/objections/alternatives are very welcome!

Regards,

Tom

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