[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
Julian Tenney
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
Mon Oct 21 19:30:01 BST 2013
Great, I think it would be brill if you can come. 20th it is then.
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [reijnders at tor.nl]
Sent: 21 October 2013 16:20
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
I can do November 20.
Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> schreef:
I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to get here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we need that long? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that time.
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk]
Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45
To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to confirm
asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the best
date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone too.
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 21 October 2013
10:28
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome too.
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[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
[mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk]
Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47
To: For Xerte technical developers
Cc: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
Hi Julian,
I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this year.
What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that
allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to
build a one page site at run time.
At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions.
But, what they do
have
is a strong governance setup and people who are
working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good things
like marketing and documentation.
IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for
Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized"
I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me
know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next
two weeks I'm afraid.
Cheers,
Mark
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Mark Berthelemy
07922 146 761
On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:
This is all
interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes
so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities.
I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good
perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt'
project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all work
together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are
much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but it
has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very
different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to come
to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could have
a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read
up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts.
I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response.
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[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
[J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]
Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i
only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with...
I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc
being funded too.
Regards
John Sm
ith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences
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"Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your
reply...
I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse -
assuming they are happy to do that.
But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least
the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded?
For example i have a job but
also
occasionally do some consultancy coding.
My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to
my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you
obviously work to someone else's agenda.
Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes
falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That
NEEDS done otherwise we stall.
We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs.
And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged.
I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while
taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the
conference participants, companies, etc...
Regards
John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences
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Mark Berthelemy <mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote:
Absolutely Ron.
And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads
happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be the
answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be!
As a means of promoting a conferen
ce,
JISC is less relevant to corporates.
Sorry about that.
Mark
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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote:
There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main
objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I
think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications.
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark
Berthelemy
Sent: 18 Octobe
r 2013
16:46
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to
corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used.
Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance
Institute.
Mark
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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote:
I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis
especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so
that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some
overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options.
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On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future
developments?
What organisation would receive the money and distribute it?
Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty important
IMO.
Mark
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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote:
Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost
would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who
would support that.
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On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; For Xerte
technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that
wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot
of takers from the corporate world.
Mark
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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote:
I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about
a XOT conference
Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people
come, quids in
O
n Fri,
Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John
<
J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money
from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is
there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the
ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark
and then not doing anything with it.
Regards,
John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health & Life Sciences
Glasgow Caledonian University
From:
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s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>>
[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-boun
ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University
should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me
the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in
much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up
against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very keen
to leave this job to pursue it.
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s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are;
with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the
viability of Xerte in the medium/long term?
BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a
company for much less cost...
Mark
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Mob: 07922 146 761
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On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote:
Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good
place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit t
o
how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs.
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On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one)
I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which
SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc)
It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the
first place) a
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