[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

[Tom Reijnders]

I can do November 20.

Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> schreef:
>I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to
>get here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we
>need that long? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that
>time.
>________________________________________
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
>[ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk]
>Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45
>To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
>
>At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to
>confirm
>asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the
>best
>date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone
>too.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
>Tenney
>Sent: 21 October 2013 10:28
>To: For Xerte technical developers
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
>
>20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome
>too.
>________________________________________
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
>[mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk]
>Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47
>To: For Xerte technical developers
>Cc: For Xerte technical developers
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
>
>Hi Julian,
>
>I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this
>year.
>
>What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap
>that
>allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the
>framework to
>build a one page site at run time.
>
>At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited
>interactions.
>But, what they do have is a strong governance setup and people who are
>working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good
>things
>like marketing and documentation.
>
>IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool
>for
>Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized"
>
>I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham.
>Let me
>know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the
>next
>two weeks I'm afraid.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Mark
>
>-----
>Mark Berthelemy
>07922 146 761
>
>> On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney
><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>wrote:
>>
>> This is all interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch
>goes
>so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are
>opportunities.
>I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some
>good
>perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his
>'Adapt'
>project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all
>work
>together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group
>are
>much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on,
>but it
>has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are
>very
>different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to
>come
>to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could
>have
>a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please
>read
>up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts.
>>
>> I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response.
>> ________________________________________
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
>> [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
>>
>> Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation
>- i
>only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with...
>>
>> I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc
>being funded too.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John Smith
>> Learning Technologist
>> School of Health and Life Sciences
>>
>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>
>>
>>
>> "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw
>your
>reply...
>>
>> I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the
>purse -
>assuming they are happy to do that.
>>
>> But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at
>least
>the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded?
>>
>> For example i have a job but also occasionally do some consultancy
>coding.
>My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work
>to
>my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work
>you
>obviously work to someone else's agenda.
>>
>> Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but
>sometimes
>falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That
>NEEDS done otherwise we stall.
>>
>> We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour
>jobs.
>And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged.
>>
>> I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent,
>while
>taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the
>conference participants, companies, etc...
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John Smith
>> Learning Technologist
>> School of Health and Life Sciences
>>
>> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Berthelemy <mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Absolutely Ron.
>>
>> And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads
>happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well
>be the
>answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be!
>>
>> As a means of promoting a conference, JISC is less relevant to
>corporates.
>>
>> Sorry about that.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> --
>> Mark Berthelemy
>> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>> Tel: 01773 318 962
>> Mob: 07922 146 761
>> Web: www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main
>objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But
>I
>think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark
>> Berthelemy
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:46
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to
>corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used.
>>
>>
>>
>> Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning &
>Performance
>Institute.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark Berthelemy
>>
>> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>>
>> Tel:     01773 318 962
>>
>> Mob:   07922 146 761
>>
>> Web:
>www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyverso
>lutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC
>Techdis
>especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility
>so
>that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some
>overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options.
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>>
>xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future
>developments?
>>
>>
>>
>> What organisation would receive the money and distribute it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty
>important
>IMO.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark Berthelemy
>>
>> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>>
>> Tel:     01773 318 962
>>
>> Mob:   07922 146 761
>>
>> Web:
>www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyverso
>lutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>>
>> Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost
>would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who
>would support that.
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>>
>xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17
>> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; For
>Xerte
>> technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream
>that
>wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a
>lot
>of takers from the corporate world.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark Berthelemy
>>
>> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>>
>> Tel:     01773 318 962
>>
>> Mob:   07922 146 761
>>
>> Web:
>www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyverso
>lutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote:
>>
>> I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about
>> a XOT conference
>>
>>
>>
>> Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people
>> come, quids in
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John
><J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money
>> from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is
>> there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and
>the
>> ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark
>> and then not doing anything with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> John Smith
>>
>> Learning Technologist
>>
>> School of Health & Life Sciences
>>
>> Glasgow Caledonian University
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>>
>xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
>> s.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>
>[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-boun
>> ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
>> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM
>>
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the
>University
>should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to
>me
>the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be
>managed in
>much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came
>up
>against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very
>keen
>to leave this job to pursue it.
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>>
>xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they
>are;
>with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the
>viability of Xerte in the medium/long term?
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a
>company for much less cost...
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark Berthelemy
>>
>> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>>
>> Tel:      01773 318 962
>>
>> Mob:    07922 146 761
>>
>> Web:
>www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyverso
>lutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote:
>>
>> Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very
>good
>place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a
>limit to
>how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs.
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>>
>xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
>> s.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
>> Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net/>
>>
>>
>>
>> If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one)
>> I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which
>> SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc)
>>
>>
>>
>> It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in
>the
>first place) and is when bad things happen.
>>
>> Glasgow Caledonian University is a registered Scottish charity,
>number
>> SC021474
>>
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