[Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net

Mon Oct 21 22:03:19 BST 2013

I've put 20th Nov in my diary.

Cheers,

Mark
On Oct 21, 2013 7:30 PM, "Julian Tenney" <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

> Great, I think it would be brill if you can come. 20th it is then.
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders [
> reijnders at tor.nl]
> Sent: 21 October 2013 16:20
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net
>
> I can do November 20.
>
> Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> schreef:
>
> I can do either as well. I think timings are to give time for Sven to get
> here from Brighton, and to have a 'working' lunch, so 11 - 3 if we need
> that long? I'd imagine the conversations could easily fill that time.
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell [
> ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk]
> Sent: 21 October 2013 10:45
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
>
> At the moment I can make either of those dates but would be good to confirm
> asap. What about setting up a quick Doodle or Meetomatic to assess the best
> date/time? I guess an idea of start and finish time would help everyone
> too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
> Tenney
> Sent: 21 October 2013
> 10:28
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
>
> 20 or 22 of November have been suggested, any good? Others are welcome too.
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> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
> [mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk]
> Sent: 20 October 2013 22:47
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Cc: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
>
> Hi Julian,
>
> I know Sven quite well, and was at the Adapt launch event earlier this
> year.
>
> What they've got currently is a clever framework built on Bootstrap that
> allows a Dev to build a simple json file that gets read by the framework to
> build a one page site at run time.
>
> At the moment, there's no authoring tool, and very limited interactions.
> But, what they do
>   have
> is a strong governance setup and people who are
> working on the bits and pieces around the development, ie. those good
> things
> like marketing and documentation.
>
> IMO There could be potential for XOT to be the (or an) authoring tool for
> Adapt, once the Json structure has been documented and "standardized"
>
> I would very much like to be at the meeting with Sven in Nottingham. Let me
> know when it is and I'll try to book it in the diary. Just not in the next
> two weeks I'm afraid.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> -----
> Mark Berthelemy
> 07922 146 761
>
> On 20 Oct 2013, at 22:30, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
>
> This is all
> interesting conversation, thanks. SCratch your own itch goes
> so far. That might be as far as we want to go, but there are opportunities.
> I'm grateful for Mark B's contributions here, you are bringing some good
> perspectives, thanks. I believe you also know Sven Laux, and his 'Adapt'
> project - I spoke to him last week, and I'm keen to find how we can all
> work
> together, they are building something very similar to XOT. His group are
> much more concerned with the corporate world. We are much further on, but
> it
> has struck me that the corporate stuff, and the education stuff are very
> different. I think there could be a fruitful alliance. Sven is going to
> come
> to Nottngham, and if any of you guys could come along, I think we could
> have
> a very intersting discussion, we are looking for some dates... please read
> up on 'Adapt', be interested in thoughts.
>
> I'm off this week, so apologies for any delay in response.
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>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
> [J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk]
> Sent: 18 October 2013 18:53
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net>
>
> Oh meant to say too that coding is just a small part of the equation - i
> only used that as an example as that's what i'm most familiar with...
>
> I'd like to see documentation, translations, roadshows, workshops etc
> being funded too.
>
> Regards
>
> John Sm
>  ith
> Learning Technologist
> School of Health and Life Sciences
>
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
> "Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Ah... Was about to 'slightly' disagree with you Mark and then saw your
> reply...
>
> I think Jisc or JiscTechdis would be the ideal people to hold the purse -
> assuming they are happy to do that.
>
> But... Then i think you still need the 'foundation' approach or at least
> the governance part - who decides what bit of work gets funded?
>
> For example i have a job but
>  also
> occasionally do some consultancy coding.
> My contribution to Xerte is largely gratis, but with that i really work to
> my own agenda, prioritising things that interest me... With paid work you
> obviously work to someone else's agenda.
>
> Julian's 'scratch your own itch' model kinda falls into this but sometimes
> falls down as we are seeing with the impending mysql depreciation. That
> NEEDS done otherwise we stall.
>
> We have 20odd issues on Github some largish projects and some 1 hour jobs.
> And probably a few 'needs doing' that haven't been logged.
>
> I just wonder who will decide and prioritise how any money is spent, while
> taking into consideration the views of those donating the money, ie the
> conference participants, companies, etc...
>
> Regards
>
> John Smith
> Learning Technologist
> School of Health and Life Sciences
>
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
> Mark Berthelemy <mberthelemy at wyversolutions.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Absolutely Ron.
>
> And my apologies... I think I misread your email (too many threads
> happening at once). As a means of channelling funding JISC might well be
> the
> answer. ELN or LPI would definitely not be!
>
> As a means of promoting a conferen
>  ce,
> JISC is less relevant to corporates.
>
> Sorry about that.
>
> Mark
>
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> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
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>
> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 17:02, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>
> There's a lot to unpick here Mark and it clearly depends on the main
> objectives and these are obviously different for different people. But I
> think there's lots to consider and lots of potential implications.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Mark
> Berthelemy
> Sent: 18 Octobe
>  r 2013
> 16:46
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>
>
>
> Sorry to disagree Ron, but JISC has, in practice, no relevance to
> corporate L&D. Their resources are just not used.
>
>
>
> Better to work through the Elearning Network or the Learning & Performance
> Institute.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark Berthelemy
>
> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>
> Tel:     01773 318 962
>
> Mob:   07922 146 761
>
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>
>
>
> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:42, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>
> I'm thinking out loud but one possibility might be JISC or JISC Techdis
> especially as they do a lot of work with publishers and accessibility so
> that would also fit with the additional corporate focus. There's some
> overlap with other projects too. I'm sure there are options.
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
> s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:33
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>
>
>
> Can I just ask how the attendance costs would feed into future
> developments?
>
>
>
> What organisation would receive the money and distribute it?
>
>
>
> Sorry to be picky. but good governance and structures are pretty important
> IMO.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark Berthelemy
>
> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>
> Tel:     01773 318 962
>
> Mob:   07922 146 761
>
> Web:
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>
>
>
> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:31, Ron Mitchell wrote:
>
> Likewise I think if we made it known that some of the attendance cost
> would be contributing to new developments there are a lot of people who
> would support that.
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
> s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
> Sent: 18 October 2013 16:17
> To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com<mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>; For Xerte
> technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>
>
>
> Count me in on that one. If we could make sure there was a stream that
> wasn't university/academic/education focussed - I'm sure we could get a lot
> of takers from the corporate world.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark Berthelemy
>
> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>
> Tel:     01773 318 962
>
> Mob:   07922 146 761
>
> Web:
> www.wyversolutions.co.uk<http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk><
> http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/<http://www.wyverso
> lutions.co.uk<http://lutions.co.uk><http://www.wyversolutions.co.uk/>>
>
>
>
> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 16:09, Pat @ Pgogy wrote:
>
> I was mumbling yesterday to 2 elearning people from London Unis about
> a XOT conference
>
>
>
> Organise one, charge 50 quid per head more than costs, 100 people
> come, quids in
>
>
>
> O
>  n Fri,
> Oct 18, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Smith, John
> <
> J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> We've discussed this before but you could probably make some money
> from merchandising; how much I don't know but the opportunity is
> there. again though it's dependent on the use of the trademark and the
> ownership - there doesn't seem much point registering the trademark
> and then not doing anything with it.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> John Smith
>
> Learning Technologist
>
> School of Health & Life Sciences
>
> Glasgow Caledonian University
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
> s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>>
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-boun
> ces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> Sent: Friday, October 18, 2013 2:55 PM
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>
>
>
> With the foundation stuff, we were thinking about whether the University
> should hand ownership off to it, rather than keep it, but unbeknown to me
> the University has registered a trademark against 'Xerte', to be managed in
> much the same way Moodle manage theirs. Ultimately the problem we came up
> against in the sustainability conversations was that no one seemed very
> keen
> to leave this job to pursue it.
>
>
>
> From:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at list
> s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
> On Behalf Of Mark Berthelemy
> Sent: 18 October 2013 14:39
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>
>
>
> Or another way of looking at it is: if things carry on just as they are;
> with a focus on institutions that will fund development, what is the
> viability of Xerte in the medium/long term?
>
>
>
> BTW. You don't have to set up a Foundation. You could easily create a
> company for much less cost...
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mark Berthelemy
>
> Managing Director - Wyver Solutions Ltd
>
> Tel:      01773 318 962
>
> Mob:    07922 146 761
>
> Web:
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>
>
>
> On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 13:07, Julian Tenney wrote:
>
> Probably depends on how ambitious we want to be. We are in a very good
> place right now, and we can just carry on as we are, but there is a limit t
>  o
> how far we can go, I think, when we all have day jobs.
>
>
>
> From:
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> s.nottingham.ac.uk<http://s.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:
> xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk]
> On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
> Sent: 18 October 2013 12:55
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: xerte.net<http://xerte.net><http://xerte.net/>
>
>
>
> If I was playing with my MBA (no sniggering, I do genuinely have one)
> I would say we are at the "growth wall", which is a point at which
> SMEs decide to how expand (new markets, more staff etc. etc)
>
>
>
> It is inevitably the big risk they face (if you discount starting in the
> first place) a
>  nd is
> when bad things happen.
>
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