[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
Tom Reijnders
reijnders at tor.nl
Wed Apr 10 16:29:49 BST 2013
There are some subtle differences:
Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need
to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated
from the modules/<framework> php code. So... only xerte LO's would get
that option.
And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the
way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to
see which engine to use.
I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely
together.
As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you
want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the
'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps
export_site.php should move to a folder modules/site and be called
play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php.
Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php...
and even peer.php
Right Pat?
I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once
you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward.
If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works.
Tom
Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef:
>
> I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle
>
> Mangle away... this obviously has links to the properties panel and
> URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise
> the discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to:
>
> The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel;
>
> Different URLs would provide access to the content -- so the flash /
> html URLs would actually be available
>
> Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion
>
> The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the
> various feeds etc
>
> Principle: existing links continue to work
>
> Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it's not
> only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way
>
> We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm going to
> have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it.
> Learning Module?)
>
> Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only have to do
> the work once...
>
> Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up,
>
> Julian
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Pat @
> Pgogy
> *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
> I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck
> record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road
> map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff.
>
> I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with
> the wrong sort of changes.
>
> You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL
> to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work
> round.
>
> I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle
>
> Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com
>
> Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality
>
>
> On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>
> Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing
> stuff in place so things don't break, but build a new modular play
> engine that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the
> site template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as
> you say having to add new files to the root folder is bad news,
> and having to modify other files in the root folder is also not so
> plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this
> else do that) code in there, which shouldn't be there really.
>
> We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th April, a tentative
> deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really
> need to get this out there so that it can be installed in places
> before the summer -- so those who want to build materials for next
> year can use it over the summer. The end of May would be about as
> far as I'd want to wait I think.
>
> What do others think?
>
> *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of
> *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com <mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>
> *Sent:* 10 April 2013 11:19
> *To:* For Xerte technical developers
> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
> True, and happy to shut up
>
> But I first raised this in November -
> http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html
> <http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html> -
> but it didn't go anywhere
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:*
>
> "For Xerte technical developers"
> <xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>
> *To:*
>
> "For Xerte technical developers"
> <xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
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> *Cc:*
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> Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100
>
> *Subject:*
>
> [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
>
> Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're
> due to finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here
> with two things:
>
> - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked
> through it once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I
> have worked through it with Pat to get the site template
> working. Now we want to do it differently?
> - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's
> sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of
> beta testing the templates, rather than anything else.
>
> At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we
> have, and Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase
> of work done, and then address it later when we have a new
> cycle underway. I appreciate the issues, but there is no point
> in getting hung about functionality that no one is using yet
> (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone
> wants to use (html5 delivery).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> Ron Mitchell
> Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15
> To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
> For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be
> defaults for any new solution mustn't break existing links or
> require people to duplicate or re-write any code to maintain
> that compatibility. The vast majority will not have the time,
> skills or inclination to do that. So...
>
> /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed
> code links should continue to play existing LO's via Flash
> likewise
> /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should
> continue to work even if that's no longer the default for new
> html 5, 6 or 7 LO's.
>
> I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping
> it more future proofed and again I can't see a problem with
> changes like this or the new defaults being
> Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing links
> aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version
> of that?
>
> Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals
> have shared many links to LO's they have made public with the
> community, with their learners, with colleagues and this
> includes sharing of the play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly
> that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we
> shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it.
>
> HTH
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
> Smith, John
> Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
> Howdy
>
> I personally think you need to run everything through the same
> page, with parameters. Its the only way you can prevent
> worsening the situation 12 months down the line where we have
> many deployed play urls which have to be maintained... Plan to
> deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that page to
> your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the
> main play.php file as play_html5 if they must.
>
> Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and
> just call it html - what happens if they release html6 in a
> few years?
>
> Regards
>
> John Smith
> Learning Technologist
> School of Health and Life Sciences
>
> Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
> "Pat @ Pgogy" <xerte at pgogywebstuff.com
> <mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Could we use the following URL structure?
>
> Can the play URL be
>
> Play.php?template_id=560
> And
> Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML
>
> And not playhtml.php?
>
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