[Xerte] Re: question re inserting quiz.rlm into desktop xerte

[Kemp Johnathan]

You picked the week I was away in Wales to ask this one, sorry for the delay
in replying.

- When I’m done with the wizard, and when its plugged its code into the
desktop flowline…is there a way to edit that page using the wizard interface
after that? Or is it a one time thing – you build your wizard once and it
gets plugged into the flowline….any changes require building it from scratch
again? I tried opening the folder with the related files to edit the wizard
but that didn’t work.

When you use a Page Wizard the 3 files .rlm (Model), .xwd (Form) and .xml
(Data) are saved to the folder you specified. However the .rlm file is
redundant as Xerte copies it into the projects structure. So any changes you
make to the .rlm file after you create the wizard will NOT change your
project page. However you are free to alter the page's icon structure in the
Xerte Desktop icon based editing environment. So a Page Wizard can be used
as a starting point.


- Once built, are the sub-folders that house the wizard files needed any
longer (for packing purposes or ?) or can they be deleted?

You need to keep the sub folders as they contain the .xml files that carry
the data for the page. The .rlm files can be deleted (though they are small
so probably not significant in saving space) You could delete the .xwd files
as well, but only if you don't want to open the page's wizard any more as
the xwd file defines the form you use to populate your page with data.


- I believe I read somewhere that wizard code can’t be saved as a model and
imported into a toolkits piece. Is that correct? My understanding is I can
package any desktop flowline icons into a model and then import that into
online toolkits via the ‘import xerte’ (I think that’s what its called) menu
selection…but not anything that contains wizard pages identified with the
small circle in the flowline. Am I correct on that?

At present the current release of page wizards use slightly different models
to those in on-line toolkits but I have found a way of enabling both Page
Wizards and On-line toolkits to share the same .rlm files. However whilst
the process is not automatic it is perfectly possible to create a page from
the basis of a Page Wizard and then include it in the Page Templates or
On-line Toolkits set of pages. At present there are some issues to be aware
of such as avoiding duplicate object names in the xwd files (and duplicate
file names with the .rlm files, having access to edit the templates.xwd file
(not sure what the equivalent is in On-line Toolkits), and the fact that
upgrades will replace the templates.xwd file and thus wipe out your new page
in your On-line Toolkits installation.

However these are issues that are being looked at. I have developed a number
of new Page Wizards and I expect to make them available (if people want
them) in the Page Templates / On-line Toolkits list of pages in the not to
distant future.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 27 September 2011 18:29, KnowledgeWare <knowledgeware at kccsoft.com> wrote:

> Thanks Tom/Julian for these answers!
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> RonM2
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Tom Reijnders
> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2011 10:41 PM
> *To:* xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
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> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: question re inserting quiz.rlm into desktop xerte
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> Ron,
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> - You can start the wizard interface again by double-clicking on the
> toplevel page wizard icon (the one with the circle)
> - You have to keep them as they are
> - Correct. But I am not even sure whether you can import any 'normal' xerte
> flowline.
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> Tom
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> Op 27-9-2011 5:26, KnowledgeWare schreef:
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> Hello Julian:
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> Yes, thanks, that’s helpful.
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> From my understanding, I think if there was a way to open the templates
> from totally outside the desktop version that would be more intuitive,
> because I think that’s really launching you into a totally different
> application and shutting down the desktop version.
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> The wizards however, I think are ideal where they are. A couple more
> questions re wizards if you don’t mind –
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> When I’m done with the wizard, and when its plugged its code into the
> desktop flowline…is there a way to edit that page using the wizard interface
> after that? Or is it a one time thing – you build your wizard once and it
> gets plugged into the flowline….any changes require building it from scratch
> again?  I tried opening the folder with the related files to edit the wizard
> but that didn’t work.
>
>
> Once built, are the sub-folders that house the wizard files needed any
> longer (for packing purposes or ?) or can they be deleted?
>
>
> I believe I read somewhere that wizard code can’t be saved as a model and
> imported into a toolkits piece. Is that correct? My understanding is I can
> package any desktop flowline icons into a model and then import that into
> online toolkits via the ‘import xerte’ (I think that’s what its called) menu
> selection…but not anything that contains wizard pages identified with the
> small circle in the flowline. Am I correct on that?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> RonM2
>
>
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* Monday, September 26, 2011 2:08 AM
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: question re inserting quiz.rlm into desktop xerte
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> Think like AW’s KOs.
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> Some are application level – for example the page templates template, which
> is the same thing as the Xerte Online Toolkit in Toolkit (maybe we should
> change Page templates to Xerte Online Toolkit in standalone xerte). The
> entire application is constructed using the wizard. The end user does not
> interact with the flow line at all.
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> Some are page level. You can mix them up with your own custom code, thanks
> to Jonathan’s work.
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> In all cases the wizard is used to edit the xml that the template uses.
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> The template’s logic is implemented in a model. Think like AWs models, a
> chunk of flow line that does a particular thing. In this case they are
> data-driven by the xml edited in the wizard.
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> I guess a temple comprises a wizard, some data and a model.
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