[Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound pagetype?

Fri Jun 17 10:28:42 BST 2011

Is it possible for the Toolkit user to change the name on the tab (e.g.
"more information" or "hint")? 

I can see this as being a nice way of adding a level of differentiation
where there was no narrative that needed a transcript.  For example you
could put a simple template sequence together, starting with a graph of
supply and demand curve in economics and a question about what the
impact of a price rise of coffee will be on the demand for fish fingers.
The following template could be the multichoice quiz ask them what would
happen why.  Confident learners could go straight to the quiz from the
image but those that needed a bit of kickstart click on a hint button
that would remind them of some key principles.

Alistair

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 17 June 2011 09:39
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re:transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

Hi Andy short answer: yes it does.

Longer answer: even with a simple addition like this there's all sorts
of permutations to consider. e.g. when I was quickly working on this
yesterday I tested with a few different images and when adding a tall
rather than wide image the existing dimension settings for the image
meant that there was no room for the transcript, so I reduced that
maxheight by 100 pixels. But then there are also options to say the
image should be displayed actual size or full screen so this needed
conditional statements to effectively say if full screen is chosen for
the image hide the transcript, if actual size is chosen hide the
transcript if there's no space below the image for the transcript. This
morning I added another condition so that if a tall image is added the
maxheight is only reduced if a transcript is added. Clearly a transcript
is an optional property so a tall image shouldn't be reduced if a
transcript isn't added. That updated .rlm file is attached and also
committed to the xerte repository.

People that use the developer tool or page wizards can obviously tweak
these things to match their requirements but for toolkits users all of
these kinds of permutations have to be thought through and built-in.
This is testament to how good XOT and its various templates are and what
Julian and Pat have developed with a lot of hard work!

HTH

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson,
Andrew
Sent: 17 June 2011 08:40
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

Ron - quick message - does the transcript function have a scroll bar
function as with the video transcript button function? Just wondering
how much text can be entered into the transcript entry slot.

andy

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 June 2011 22:34
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Subject: [Xerte] Re:transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

Ok cheers thanks for the clarification.

Been thinking that this provides another way to use xpert attributed
image e.g. use the embed code option and paste the url in the image
field (with single quotes) and the rest of the code in the transcript
box. Example here http://xerte5.techdis.palepurple.co.uk/play_8835

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 June 2011 21:46
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

Great. Just check any xerte stuff, templates etc into the xerte svn. The
only changes that should be commited to the toolkits svn are changes to
the web aplication itself. I copy files from the xerte repo into the
toolkits one to keep it up to date, and when I do that I make new xtp
files from the xerte svn as well, so for xerte stuff I consider the
xerte svn as the definitive files when making a new zip, or updating
Xerte. For any php / toolkits code, i.e. the web application (or 'Pat's
stuff') the toolkits svn is definitive. I work and develop in my checked
out xerte svn all the time, and look for any updates each morning,

________________________________

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[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
[ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk]
Sent: 16 June 2011 21:28
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

done! 

Committed to both toolkits and xerte.

And for anyone using the Techdis sandpit this transcript option is
available in the graphic and sound page.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 June 2011 16:51
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

It's just the transcript thing, yes? Then, yes, no worries, I just
didn't have time to code it today, and as it happens you've done it
already...

You have commit rights to the svn - is it easy to commit an updated
textGraphics.rlm and update the main .xwd?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 June 2011 15:37
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

Andy

you wouldn't need to send the whole zip. In the zip there are only two
files that have changed but these also have different names so would
need to be renamed. 

>From the newer zip posted in my later message as a link rather than
attachment the two files that would need to be replaced on your server
are as follows:

1. rename template.rlt to Nottingham.rlt and replace the version in your
installation \modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\Nottingham.rlt

2. rename template.xwd to data.xwd and replace
\modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\data.xwd

It's Julian's call whether these additions/changes are included in the
Notts downloads and I'm sure he'll confirm that either way.  It would be
good if they are and if Julian confirms that you could still follow the
instructions above because the files would obviously be the same. 

Regards

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson,
Andrew
Sent: 16 June 2011 15:08
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

Thanks for the attention to this issue.

Ron, is that a zip I should send to the company hosting my uni's XOT
version or something that will be incorporated into XOT itself and I'll
need to advise them to update their XOT install once notified change has
been incorporated?

Andy

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 June 2011 14:26
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

Noticed a slight error with that previous attachment if the magnifier
optional property was added (it didn't show) and obviously doesn't exist
on the video page. This is fixed in this version.

Julian - I used your menuBug attachment as the starting point for this
so it's only the .xwd and textGraphics.rlm that's changed.

HTH

Ron

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 June 2011 14:09
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

Try this...

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson,
Andrew
Sent: 16 June 2011 13:36
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

Ahhhh, I get it. Thank you.

Andy

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 June 2011 13:28
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?

It can. Someone will have to code it.

In the meantime, you can make a video from the sound file you have, and
add an image then use it in the vdeo page where the transcript
functionality is already there.

I think the messages are coming back in a funny order.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson,
Andrew
Sent: 16 June 2011 13:26
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio on Graphics andSound
pagetype?

Sorry Julian - not following the connection for your last post. 

I'm just wondering if a transcript button can be set up for the media
player when I create a sound file in the Graphics and Sound pagetype.

Andy

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 June 2011 13:19
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio on Graphics andSound
pagetype?

Yes, you can easily make the video in Windows Movie Maker.

Start a new project, import a sound, import a picture and stretch it
across the timeline and output the video. Most likely that will give you
a .wmv, so you'll need to convert it to flv format. You could add
several pictures if appropriate,

J

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 16 June 2011 12:29
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio on Graphics and Sound
pagetype?

Sounds like a sensible idea. My only suggestion would to be to see if
the label of the 'transcripts' button could be changed by the creator.
For example, in some cases it is more appropriate to add 'notes' or
something similar (rather than a transcript) to a video
(graphics/sound).

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson,
Andrew
Sent: 16 June 2011 12:04
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] transcript buttion for audio on Graphics and Sound
pagetype?

Hi - I am working with XOT templates and have been working on the
Graphics and Sound pagetype for Media. Recently, Julian was able to get
the transcript button working for the Video page type and now I wonder
whether it would be possible to have a transcript button option for the
Graphics and Sound pagetype. Please see images for reference. The reason
I think this would be valuable is that the space taken up by my
transcript in the text entry location could be used for task
instructions and, for example, reflection questions for the student as
they listen. Then, if needed, they could click on the transcript. As it
is, having the transcript so visible might lead some students to just
read it anyway without first trying to listen.

What thinks?

Oh, thanks for sorting out the video transcript button, Julian. Much
appreciated.

Andy

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