[Xerte] Re: Timed Text

Wed Feb 23 11:50:27 GMT 2011

Thanks for your help once again.

Once I used https, rather than http, the examples folder put in an
appearance :-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 22 February 2011 16:47, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> I’ve checked out https://xerte3.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/
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> [note https]
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> I did get the examples folder.
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 21 February 2011 17:12
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> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Timed Text
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> I have checked out (using tortoise svn)
> http://xerte3.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/
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> This has resulted in the first level of folders
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> mdmswc
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> xerte3
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> xerte3air
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> Xerte3Editor
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> xerte3sample
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> xerte35
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> Maybe I am just not looking in the right place, but I cannot find the
> examples / caption folder that you mention above.
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> Have I downloaded from the wrong location, and if so what location should I
> download from to obtain the closed caption example?
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> Kind regards
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> Johnathan
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> On 31 January 2011 09:52, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> I uploaded a fresh build of Xerte 3.0 on Friday: it has the timed text
> component in it. In Xerte 3.0 you can create your own icons by writing
> classes. This is  good example of one. Any class put in the org/xerte/
> folder is shown as an icon on the components menu: you can then set its
> public properties using properties of the icon. This means it is really easy
> to extend Xerte 3.0 to do specific things – a bit of work remains to get the
> public properties to show up on the icon’s properties after inserting, right
> now, you need to know what they are.
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> In the svn is also an example in the examples/captions folder showing this
> in use. For fun I made a google translate icon, for translating between
> languages, and used it with the timed text component to show the timed text
> as subtitles in the usual way, but also to present a drop down list of
> languages, and then show the translation of the subtitles into the chosen
> language as the movie plays.
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> It would be great to have developers contribute classes for the component
> menu. I use FlashDevelop for writing the AS3.0.
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 28 January 2011 21:06
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> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Timed Text
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> Is the Xerte 3.0 timed text caption component available for testing in
> Xerte 3 yet?
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> The following url
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> http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/jw-player/jw-player-for-flash-v5/22/making-video-accessible
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> discusses closed captioning for the JWFLV player and it looks like this is
> using timed text, so I am assuming the process I used to use for creating
> closed captions for the JWFLV player should work with your timed text
> component. There is a link from the above url to a location where you can
> download a converter that will allow you to create your closed captions in
> subtitle workshop and then export them as timed text files.
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> If the timed text component is available for testing I don't mind testing
> it for you.
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> Kind regards
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> Johnathan
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> On 28 January 2011 12:41, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> Thanks.
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> This is all for Xerte 3.0, so all that is possible. I’ve made a component
> for Timed Text captions: I’m hoping other formats can be converted to timed
> text somehow.
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> J
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 27 January 2011 19:21
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> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Timed Text
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> I don't know if any of the following will help.
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> For a while, before I started using Xerte I did some development of avi and
> flv files with subtitles and / or close captions. I used the JWFLV player to
> play the FLV files as this supported close caption (subtitles that you can
> turn on and off) but I don't know of any equivalent flv player available for
> use in Xerte. The JWFLV player is not expensive but neither is it free.
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> I used Aegisub ( http://www.aegisub.org/ ) to create the subtitles as I
> found it easier to use than subtitle workshop, but I then exported the
> subtitle file to subtitle workshop for convertion to a close caption file
> compatible with the requirements of the JW FLV player. I believe I posted
> something when I first started using Xerte about the possibility of using
> closed captions, but the inclusion of a JWFLV player page was at the time a
> none starter as the program was not free. If I recall correctly close
> captions remain a separate file to the video file and are combined at run
> time, whilst subtitles are combined with the video file. When I wanted
> subtitles I used virtual dub to combine the avi file and the subtitle file
> before converting to an flv.
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> If you want to play around with any of this then I have attached a pdf file
> that is an extract from some notes I made at the time about creating video
> files, specifically the part of my notes that relates to subtitle and close
> caption creation. I make no promises about the accuracy of the notes, they
> are just something I put together at the time, but they may cast some light
> in dark corners (but not as brightly as the star of Elendil)
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> This is probably a good time to renew the plea for some support for close
> caption files in Xerte (would play lists as well be being greedy ? :-)
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> Kind regards
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> Johnathan
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> On 26 January 2011 16:57, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
> wrote:
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> No flv support…
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 26 January 2011 16:31
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> *To:* 'Xerte discussion list'
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Timed Text
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> Magpie?
> http://ncam.wgbh.org/invent_build/web_multimedia/tools-guidelines/magpie
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 26 January 2011 16:14
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Timed Text
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> It’s not free and there’s no demo? Not an encouraging start…
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Ron Mitchell
> *Sent:* 26 January 2011 15:30
> *To:* 'Xerte discussion list'
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Timed Text
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> Haven't used it but have you looked at Captionate?
> http://www.buraks.com/captionate/
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 26 January 2011 15:02
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Timed Text
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> Timed Text was the steer I got from my accessibility guru. I could support
> multiple formats, but would prefer to find other tools that maybe convert
> between formats.
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Adam Read
> *Sent:* 26 January 2011 14:54
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Timed Text
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> I’ve used a free bit of software called “Subtitle Workshop” to make a timed
> caption file for youtube videos (
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Twy9xw9jlo) caption file attached (Sub
> Viewer file).
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> Let’s you output in a few different formats, although XML isn’t a default
> option. Txt file might be an option?
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> Adam
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* 26 January 2011 14:33
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Timed Text
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> Does anyone know of any good, preferably free, tools for making timed text
> xml files?
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> I want to add some support for captions to Xerte 3.0, and am hopeful that
> by following the timed text standard, I will have access to loads of
> wonderful tools for producing timed text…
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