[Xerte] Re: Timed Text

Julian Tenney Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
Tue Feb 22 16:47:51 GMT 2011 

I've checked out https://xerte3.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/

[note https]

I did get the examples folder.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 21 February 2011 17:12
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Timed Text

I have checked out (using tortoise svn) http://xerte3.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/

This has resulted in the first level of folders

mdmswc
xerte3
xerte3air
Xerte3Editor
xerte3sample
xerte35

Maybe I am just not looking in the right place, but I cannot find the examples / caption folder that you mention above.

Have I downloaded from the wrong location, and if so what location should I download from to obtain the closed caption example?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 31 January 2011 09:52, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I uploaded a fresh build of Xerte 3.0 on Friday: it has the timed text component in it. In Xerte 3.0 you can create your own icons by writing classes. This is  good example of one. Any class put in the org/xerte/ folder is shown as an icon on the components menu: you can then set its public properties using properties of the icon. This means it is really easy to extend Xerte 3.0 to do specific things - a bit of work remains to get the public properties to show up on the icon's properties after inserting, right now, you need to know what they are.

In the svn is also an example in the examples/captions folder showing this in use. For fun I made a google translate icon, for translating between languages, and used it with the timed text component to show the timed text as subtitles in the usual way, but also to present a drop down list of languages, and then show the translation of the subtitles into the chosen language as the movie plays.

It would be great to have developers contribute classes for the component menu. I use FlashDevelop for writing the AS3.0.

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 28 January 2011 21:06

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Timed Text

Is the Xerte 3.0 timed text caption component available for testing in Xerte 3 yet?

The following url

http://www.longtailvideo.com/support/jw-player/jw-player-for-flash-v5/22/making-video-accessible

discusses closed captioning for the JWFLV player and it looks like this is using timed text, so I am assuming the process I used to use for creating closed captions for the JWFLV player should work with your timed text component. There is a link from the above url to a location where you can download a converter that will allow you to create your closed captions in subtitle workshop and then export them as timed text files.

If the timed text component is available for testing I don't mind testing it for you.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 28 January 2011 12:41, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Thanks.

This is all for Xerte 3.0, so all that is possible. I've made a component for Timed Text captions: I'm hoping other formats can be converted to timed text somehow.

J

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 27 January 2011 19:21

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Timed Text

I don't know if any of the following will help.
For a while, before I started using Xerte I did some development of avi and flv files with subtitles and / or close captions. I used the JWFLV player to play the FLV files as this supported close caption (subtitles that you can turn on and off) but I don't know of any equivalent flv player available for use in Xerte. The JWFLV player is not expensive but neither is it free.

I used Aegisub ( http://www.aegisub.org/ ) to create the subtitles as I found it easier to use than subtitle workshop, but I then exported the subtitle file to subtitle workshop for convertion to a close caption file compatible with the requirements of the JW FLV player. I believe I posted something when I first started using Xerte about the possibility of using closed captions, but the inclusion of a JWFLV player page was at the time a none starter as the program was not free. If I recall correctly close captions remain a separate file to the video file and are combined at run time, whilst subtitles are combined with the video file. When I wanted subtitles I used virtual dub to combine the avi file and the subtitle file before converting to an flv.

If you want to play around with any of this then I have attached a pdf file that is an extract from some notes I made at the time about creating video files, specifically the part of my notes that relates to subtitle and close caption creation. I make no promises about the accuracy of the notes, they are just something I put together at the time, but they may cast some light in dark corners (but not as brightly as the star of Elendil)

This is probably a good time to renew the plea for some support for close caption files in Xerte (would play lists as well be being greedy ? :-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 26 January 2011 16:57, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
No flv support...


From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 26 January 2011 16:31

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Timed Text

Magpie? http://ncam.wgbh.org/invent_build/web_multimedia/tools-guidelines/magpie

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 26 January 2011 16:14
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Timed Text

It's not free and there's no demo? Not an encouraging start...

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 26 January 2011 15:30
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Timed Text

Haven't used it but have you looked at Captionate? http://www.buraks.com/captionate/

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 26 January 2011 15:02
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Timed Text

Timed Text was the steer I got from my accessibility guru. I could support multiple formats, but would prefer to find other tools that maybe convert between formats.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 26 January 2011 14:54
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: Timed Text

I've used a free bit of software called "Subtitle Workshop" to make a timed caption file for youtube videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Twy9xw9jlo) caption file attached (Sub Viewer file).

Let's you output in a few different formats, although XML isn't a default option. Txt file might be an option?

Adam

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 26 January 2011 14:33
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Subject: [Xerte] Timed Text

Does anyone know of any good, preferably free, tools for making timed text xml files?

I want to add some support for captions to Xerte 3.0, and am hopeful that by following the timed text standard, I will have access to loads of wonderful tools for producing timed text...


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