[Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page wizardstoincorporaterecent changes to pageTemplates rlm files

Fri Oct 15 13:40:10 BST 2010

I'll do it next week. Tied up this afternoon.

What do you need? The standalone version with the latest templates in it?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 15 October 2010 13:36
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Subject: Re: [Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page wizardstoincorporaterecent changes to pageTemplates rlm files

Hello Julian,

Sorry to be a pain.

Any chance the rebuild will happen in the near future. I was just tidying up my emails and came across one from July expressing interest in the new page wizards, so I am keen to be able to make them available.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 15 September 2010 14:18, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
At some point I will do, yes. It takes a while to rebuild everything and make sure everything is up to date, so bear with me,

J

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 15 September 2010 14:10
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Subject: Re: [Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page wizardstoincorporaterecent changes to pageTemplates rlm files

Do you have any plans to update the Xerte setup.exe download from the main web site so as to incorporate your changes into the Xerte release, any time soon?

Up to now I have kept the page wizards up to date by downloading the latest version of Xerte and then creating a page templates project and comparing the files in the project, using winDiff, to the previous release of Xerte. I would find that much easier than downloading a number of separate updates. It ensures that my build of Xerte has all the files it needs to support the models e.g. if there have been changes in the build itself or in related swf or fla files.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 15 September 2010 13:29, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
They are in the Xerte repo at code.google.com/p/xerte<http://code.google.com/p/xerte>

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 15 September 2010 13:25
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Subject: Re: [Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page wizardstoincorporate recent changes to pageTemplates rlm files

Sorry about the delay in testing.

I have included your modified rlm file details in the page wizard and the issue with premature feedback display appears to be fixed.

I took a look in the svn but this shows an upload date of June 2009. I also downloaded the latest Xerte today but the models appear unchanged from those I downloaded on July 28th.

Can you tell me where I can access the latest page templates project template files that contain the updated files for the pages that you were going to fix, as discussed above, so that I can finalise my next release of page wizards.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 September 2010 16:50, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Fixed it. See attached. At least I can't break it anymore by following your instructions...

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan

Sent: 02 September 2010 11:34
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Subject: Re: [Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page wizards toincorporate recent changes to pageTemplates rlm files

Hello Julian,

I have just created a new project using the current version of Xerte (downloaded last night) and created a gap fill page to test.

Display of the feedback at an incorrect time does not happen often but I have managed to create a sequence of events that appears duplicable.

Create a new pageTemplates based project, add a gap fill page and a title page (the latter may not be critical to the test, but I was also trying out the effect of returning to the page during my tests, so needed a second page).

In the gap fill page wizard set interactivity to drag drop and mark the gap fill text as in the example below.

Now preview the page and in this order:
1.      drag "right-click" to its correct location,
2.      drag word to its correct location,
3.      Do not drag "menu" to its correct location.
4.      Now left click on the right-click correct location and the feedback will be displayed,
5.      left click again on this location and the feedback will disappear.

I was also able to duplicate the displacement of the mouse pointer from the dragged word by dropping a word on an incorrect place marker and then attempting to catch the word by clicking on it as it was returning to its start location. The only way I could release the word so that I could pick it up properly was to click on another word. This is probably not a major issue as the only time it would prove problematic was if you managed to pick up the last available word in this way, and to do so you would be being somewhat perverse as by then its correct location should be obvious.

With respect to the column page. I tried to acheive a situation where the picture was constrained by the column width and the text area was then sized to fit the space remaining in the column. This would have preserved the aspect ratio of the picture and allowed for different sized pictures to leave space for as large a text area as would be allowed by the picture size. It would then be for the user to select pictures sensibly and make size adjustments if necessary in the event of wanting to use a very tall and slim picture. But I couldn't get this to work.

I downloaded Xerte last night and the models appear to be the same as those I downloaded on the 28th July.

Where can I gain access to your updated models?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 1 September 2010 11:28, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Just worked through these - thanks for the info:

'Links' is fixed.
Files only consume one .css file, but individual text icons can consume their own .css if need be.

Morph Image is fixed.

Categories is amended - thanks.

Column page: it works the way it always has done, in that it will try and fit the text to the page, and the image in whatever space remains. If more text exists than can be displayed, it fails. This was always a FOL, but it should probably behave better: questions is, what should it do, and at what point does the scrolling text kick in (when the image occupies less than half the space? Less than one third?)

Can you tell me how to reliably replicate the gap fill issue with feedback? I can't replicate it in my example. I haven't added a 'show me' button yet, but can easily do that.

J

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 25 August 2010 14:07
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Subject: [Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page wizards to incorporate recent changes to pageTemplates rlm files

Hello Julian,

I downloaded the latest Xerte 2 in July and have been working on the updates to the rlm files to create new page wizards for Links and MorphImages.

I have hit a few issues with some of the pages. Blue items are issues that you may wish to look at in the pageTemplates version, Red issues are currently preventing me from releasing an updated wizard so any help you can offer would be most appreciated. Green issues are requests for features.

Links
*         The pageTemplates version xml needs changing as it sets the default height of the links to "medium" but the code uses numerical values. This corrects itself when you change the height in the wizard but the default xml needs to replace the height value of "medium" with "80".
*         There appears to be a bug in the links template. Create a new links page and make it the second page in your project. Leave the default column setting of 3 and add one link. At this point you can preview and go back and forward between pages 1 and 2 without problem. Now open the Link page wizard and add a second link. Then preview the project and go back and forward between pages 1 and 2. You should now see a third undefined link displayed, which is not reflected in the xml. Add a fourth column and you should be able to generate a fourth undefined link by going back and forward between pages 1 and 2.
*         I figured out how to add a style sheet to a project so that the links would show as underlined. However I note that in the Xerte page templates projects there are two style sheets in the common folder "styles.css" and "wikistyles.css". Is there a way by which a Xerte project can consume more than one css file?
MorphImage
*         The pagetemplates version fails to display tooltips - there is an incorrect reference on the image icons and no tooltip property in the wizard.
*         I have modified the Page Wizard version to provide for specification of tooltips for image 1 and image 2 and to also allow images to extend to fill more of the page if it is a larger image. (maxWidth to 600 in calculate script attached to onLoadGraphic1 so as to allow more space for larger pictures, also I reduced the height of the text icon with id of "textBlock" to 440 as otherwise a large amount of text can displace the Zoom buttons position onto the bottom configuration selections.
Categories
*         This no longer makes any use of labelHeight so this can be removed from the xwd and xml files.
ColumnPage
*         Not sure what the two lines of changes are intended to do (lines 63 and 64). The page still appears to have a problem with sizing the text area of the column so that pictures remain on screen and the text auto scrolls within the remaining space available for the text. I tried to find create a fix for this but ended up with text areas that fitted the available space but the displayed text font size had shrunk to enable the text to all fit in, rather than auto scrolling.
GapFill
*         This page appears to present feedback inconsistently when in drag and drop mode. I found this to also be an issue with the previous version of the rml when I went back to test it. In the drag and drop mode feedback is sometimes displayed on partial completion of the exercise, or may be displayed only then to disappear. I also found that sometimes with the new model the word would become displaced from the mouse pointer, but still being dragged around. I think this happened when it somehow got reattached to the mouse pointer whilst returning to its start position after an incorrect drop. I could not duplicate this in the earlier version of the rml.
*         When in fill in gap mode It would also be helpful if there was some way out of the exercise i.e. a way of giving up and seeing the correct answers. Currently you just keep making guesses.
Kind regards

Johnathan

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