[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess

Thu Apr 11 14:49:11 BST 2013

I don't know. I'll check tonight.

Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef:

>Was the correct upgrade definitely in the patch?
>
>If it was my applying of the patch didn't work because that's not in
>the patched or exported code yet it is in basic.sql
>
> 
>
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>Reijnders
>Sent: 11 April 2013 14:33
>To: For Xerte technical developers
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
> 
>
>Strange.
>
>Upgrade should give you an extra column on templatedetails called
>extra_flags.
>
>
>
>Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef:
>
>Cheers got it!
>
> 
>
>I'm not sure if anyone else has tried this yet but not quite working
>for me...
>
> 
>
>1. Applied patch to local copy of svn code
>
>2. Exported patched version
>
>3. Dropped over a localhost test install
>
> 
>
>I can see new options in the properties panel e.g. what is the default
>engine to use for this project with Javascript (a.k.a. HTML5) ticked
>
>But I can't untick that or tick the flash option
>
>When following the flash and html5 links I get an empty wondow
>
>and when trying to create a new LO I get an empty window with failed to
>create new template
>
> 
>
>I ran upgrade.php but there doesn't seem to be anything new in there?
>
> 
>
>HTH
>
>Ron
>
> 
>
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
>Tenney
>Sent: 11 April 2013 13:10
>To: For Xerte technical developers
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
> 
>
>I’ve just sent it on…
>
> 
>
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>Reijnders
>Sent: 11 April 2013 12:29
>To: For Xerte technical developers
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
> 
>
>Didn't want to send It to the list . Julian has it.
>
>Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> schreef:
>
>Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like
>Fay's update.
>
> 
>
>Ron
>
> 
>
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>Reijnders
>Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08
>To: For Xerte technical developers
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
> 
>
>I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian.
>
>Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef:
>
>As an addition:
>
>Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show :
>1. if the template_frame=xerte  in the engine set by the user
>2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php
>
>Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or
>play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine.
>
>Some is true for preview.
>
>You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when
>Ctlr+Play is pressed)
>
>I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback
>;-)
>
>Tom
>
>    
>
>Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef:
>
>Almost finished.
>
>I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page
>
>- Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview
>- Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play
>- Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and
>preview
>- Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click
>- Move site to its own module dir
>- Changed basic.sql
>- updates upgrade.php
>
>Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet
>
>Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752)
>
>It's about 2.2Mb
>
>Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef:
>
>Hello,
>
> 
>
>Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again
>
> 
>
>The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code
>for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will
>have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work.
>
> 
>
>I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on
>properties which is HTML access - beca use in theory some of the
>projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the
>process and give the preview and default setting options?
>
> 
>
>This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is
>(for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab
>
> 
>
>OR
>
> 
>
>You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a
>URL _return function like what exists at present
>
> 
>
>I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed
>
> 
>
>https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well
>
> 
>
>Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the
>.info file should you want too
>
> 
>
>REMEMBER
>
> 
>
>if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well
>
> 
>
>Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair
>for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :)
>
> 
>Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com 
>
>Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality
>
> 
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>
>From:
>
>"For Xerte technical developers" 
><mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
><xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>
> 
>
>To:
>
>"For Xerte technical developers" 
><mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
><xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>
>Cc:
>
> 
>
>Sent:
>
>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200
>
>Subject:
>
>[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
>
>There are some subtle differences:
>
>Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need
>to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated
>from the modules/<framework> php code. So... only xerte LO's would get
>that option.
>
>And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the
>way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to
>see which engine to use.
>
>I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely
>together.
>
>As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you
>want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the
>'framework' column, and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps
>export_site.php should move to a f older modules/site and be called
>play.php, preview.php and perhaps export.php.
>
>Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php...
>and even peer.php
>
>Right Pat?
>
>I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once
>you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward. 
>
>If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this
>works.
>
>Tom
>
>Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef:
>
>I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle
>
> 
>
>Mangle away… this obviously has links to the propertie s panel and URLs
>for each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the
>discussions, here’s where I thought we’d got to:
>
> 
>
>The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel;
>
>Different URLs would provide access to the content – so the flash /
>html URLs would actually be available
>
>Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion
>
>The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various
>feeds etc
>
>Principle: existing links continue to work 
>
>Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it’s not
>only Ron who is already putting content ‘live’ this way
>
>We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I’m going to
>have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it.
>Learning Module?)
>
> 
>
>Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we’ll only have to do
>the work once…
>
> 
>
>Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up,
>
> 
>
>Julian
>
> 
>
> 
>
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk
><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ] On Behalf Of Pat @
>Pgogy
>Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13
>To: For Xerte technical developers
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
> 
>
>I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck
>record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map.
>So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff.
>
> 
>
>I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with
>the wrong sort of changes.
>
> 
>
>You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL
>to another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work
>round.
>
> 
>
>I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle
>
>Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com
>
>Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality
>
>On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney
><Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff
>in place so things don’t break, but build a new modular play engine
>that handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site
>template in it was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say
>having to add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having to
>modify other files in the root folder is also not so plug and play:
>there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code
>in ther e, which shouldn’t be there really.
>
> 
>
>We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I
>don’t mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out
>there so that it can be installed in places before the summer – so
>those who want to build materials for next year can use it over the
>summer. The end of May would be about as far as I’d want to wait I
>think.
>
> 
>
>What do others think?
>
> 
>
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>xerte at pgogywebstuff.com
>Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19
>To: For Xerte technical developers
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
> 
>
>True, and happy to shut up
>
> 
>
>But I first raised this in November -
>http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html
><http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html>
> - but it didn't go anywhere
>
> 
>
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> 
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>To:
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>"For Xerte technical developers" <xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
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>Cc:
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>Sent:
>
>Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100
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>Subject:
>
>[Xert e-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
>
>Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to
>finish the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things:
>
>- we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it
>once with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through
>it with Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it
>differently?
>- if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes
>life. Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the
>templates, rather than anything else.
>
>At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and
>Tom's database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and
>then address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate
>the issues, but there is no point in getting hung about functionality
>that no one is using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality
>that everyone wants to use (htm l5 delivery). 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron
>Mitchell
>Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15
>To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
>For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for
>any new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to
>duplicate or re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast
>majority will not have the time, skills or inclination to do that.
>So...
>
>/play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links
>should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise
>/play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to
>work even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's.
>
>I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more
>future proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this
>or the new defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long
>as existing links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess
>version of that? 
>
>Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have
>shared many links to LO's they have made public with the community,
>with their learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the
>play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the
>1.8 release so obviously we shouldn't break those links if we can
>possibly avoid it.
>
>HTH
>Ron
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith,
>John
>Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25
>To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>
>Howdy
>
>I personally think you need to run everything through the same page,
>with parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the
>situation 12 months down the line where we have many deployed play urls
>which have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then
>people can rewrite that page to your main play.php page with
>method=html or even duplicate the main play.php file as play_html5 if
>they must.
>
>Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it
>html - what happens if they release html6 in a few years?
>
>Regards
>
>John Smith
>Learning Technologist
>School of Health and Life Sciences
>
>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>
>
>
>"Pat @ Pgogy" <xerte at pgogywebstuff.com> wrote:
>
>
>Could we use the following URL structure?
>
>Can the play URL be
>
>Play.php?template_id=560
>And
>Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML
>
>And not playhtml.php?
>
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