[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
Ron Mitchell
ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
Thu Apr 11 12:22:06 BST 2013
Happy to test and feedback but where do I get the patch? 752 looks like
Fay's update.
Ron
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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 11 April 2013 11:08
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
I am off-line the rest of the day. I'll send the patch to Julian.
Op 11-4-2013 11:51, Tom Reijnders schreef:
As an addition:
Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show :
1. if the template_frame=xerte in the engine set by the user
2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php
Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or
play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine.
Some is true for preview.
You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play is
pressed)
I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-)
Tom
Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef:
Almost finished.
I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page
- Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview
- Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play
- Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and
preview
- Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click
- Move site to its own module dir
- Changed basic.sql
- updates upgrade.php
Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet
Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752)
It's about 2.2Mb
Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef:
Hello,
Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again
The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same code for
each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules will have more
than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work.
I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on properties
which is HTML access - because in theory some of the projects are to become
HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the process and give the preview and
default setting options?
This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is (for
now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab
OR
You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module a
URL_return function like what exists at present
I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed
https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well
Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the .info
file should you want too
REMEMBER
if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well
Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's fair for
you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :)
Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com
Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality
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[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
There are some subtle differences:
Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but you need to
realise that the proerty page is also modular, the form is generated from
the modules/<framework> php code. So... only xerte LO's would get that
option.
And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different, but the way
the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB is inquired to see which
engine to use.
I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces nicely
together.
As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or whetever you want
to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails table in the 'framework' column,
and the play_site.php, preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should
move to a folder modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and
perhaps export.php.
Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root' preview.php... and
even peer.php
Right Pat?
I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test. Once you
understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward.
If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how this works.
Tom
Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef:
I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle
Mangle away. this obviously has links to the properties panel and URLs for
each piece as we discussed earlier in the week. To summarise the
discussions, here's where I thought we'd got to:
The user would select the delivery option from the properties panel;
Different URLs would provide access to the content - so the flash / html
URLs would actually be available
Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion
The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in the various
feeds etc
Principle: existing links continue to work
Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as it's not only
Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way
We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm going to have to
rename for political reasons here, otherwise M&C will kill it. Learning
Module?)
Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only have to do the
work once.
Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up,
Julian
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<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> ] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
Sent: 10 April 2013 12:13
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a stuck record)
as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it to the road map. So I didn't
want to waste a day of Fay's time in changing stuff.
I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it up with the
wrong sort of changes.
You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to redirect the URL to
another link, thus old links could be maintained - albeit as a work round.
I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle
Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com
Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality
On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:
Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the existing stuff in
place so things don't break, but build a new modular play engine that
handles the modular stuff much better? When I put the site template in it
was obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to add new files
to the root folder is bad news, and having to modify other files in the root
folder is also not so plug and play: there is specific (if
(thisSortOfTemplate) do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn't be
there really.
We wanted to put a new zip out on 26th April, a tentative deadline. I don't
mind waiting a few more weeks, but we really need to get this out there so
that it can be installed in places before the summer - so those who want to
build materials for next year can use it over the summer. The end of May
would be about as far as I'd want to wait I think.
What do others think?
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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
xerte at pgogywebstuff.com
Sent: 10 April 2013 11:19
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
True, and happy to shut up
But I first raised this in November -
http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html
<http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html
> - but it didn't go anywhere
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[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
Always we seem to hit something fundamental right before we're due to finish
the work. There is a degree of frustration here with two things:
- we have already worked through this twice: Fay has worked through it once
with Pat to get the html5 links working, and I have worked through it with
Pat to get the site template working. Now we want to do it differently?
- if you take pre-release code and it changes, well, that's sometimes life.
Play_html5 was always intended as a way of beta testing the templates,
rather than anything else.
At this stage of things, I think we should go with what we have, and Tom's
database solution solution, and get this phase of work done, and then
address it later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate the issues,
but there is no point in getting hung about functionality that no one is
using yet (modularity), at the expense of functionality that everyone wants
to use (html5 delivery).
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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
For me the basic principal must be whatever we want to be defaults for any
new solution mustn't break existing links or require people to duplicate or
re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The vast majority will not
have the time, skills or inclination to do that. So...
/play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the embed code links
should continue to play existing LO's via Flash likewise
/play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123 should continue to work
even if that's no longer the default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's.
I can see the point about not referring to html5 and keeping it more future
proofed and again I can't see a problem with changes like this or the new
defaults being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as existing
links aren't broken. But what would be the Apache/htaccess version of that?
Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and individuals have shared
many links to LO's they have made public with the community, with their
learners, with colleagues and this includes sharing of the play_html5 links.
Rightly or wrongly that's what we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously
we shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it.
HTH
Ron
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[mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
Howdy
I personally think you need to run everything through the same page, with
parameters Its the only way you can prevent worsening the situation 12
months down the line where we have many deployed play urls which have to be
maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5 and then people can rewrite that
page to your main play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the main
play.php file as play_html5 if they must.
Begs the question - should we drop references to html5 and just call it html
- what happens if they release html6 in a few years?
Regards
John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences
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"Pat @ Pgogy" <xerte at pgogywebstuff.com> wrote:
Could we use the following URL structure?
Can the play URL be
Play.php?template_id=560
And
Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML
And not playhtml.php?
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