[Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

[Julian Tenney]

Er, OK,

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 29 October 2012 15:04
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties

tell them you are tei xml encoding all of our documentation

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> I didn't get that either. Metadata for what? I'll ask them tomorrow.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
> Lockley
> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:43
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>
> Some of those seem a little arbitrary (machine readable metadata?
> for?)
>
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> There was some useful (really) work from OSSWatch recently on Rogo
>> (another application we develop here) around their openness rating: I
>> looked at the things they had used to judge it, and applied them to
>> Toolkits, and made a list of things we should do to make our project
>> more 'open': the list is below. That includes things like roadmap, some other useful things as well.
>> I want to work through this list and address as much of it as
>> possible, I think that will drive some content to the community site.
>> We already score quite well (about 60), though OSS watch would say we
>> should try and score more than 80, and I think in general the things
>> they point at are good sensible things we should do. OSSwatch are
>> coming here tomorrow, so I'll probably add to this,
>>
>>
>>
>>                   Xerte Rogo
>>
>> Legal             65.52 75
>>
>> Standards         68    73
>>
>> Knowledge         46.3  13
>>
>> Governance        56    16
>>
>> Market            86.67 38
>>
>> Openness Rating   59.65 ?
>>
>> Average           64.5  43
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Legal
>>
>> Document project dependencies and audit license compatibility.
>>
>> Consider and make explicit options for sub-licensing.
>>
>> Clarify re-distribution of entire project under GPL3
>>
>> Make licensing explicit. Add license headers to all source files.
>>
>>
>>
>> Standards
>>
>> Minimise reliance on closed proprietary standards. Flash player
>>
>> Use standards ratified by standards bodies?
>>
>> Use Project Management methodology, and have regular, predictable releases.
>>
>> Identify and document a standards policy for the project.
>>
>>
>>
>> Knowledge
>>
>> Documentation: developer, installer, user.
>>
>> Design documents
>>
>> Define and Implement QA Process
>>
>> Project roadmap
>>
>> Machine readable meta-data?
>>
>> Project Chat / IRC?
>>
>> Make all decisions in a public environment
>>
>> Provide alternative sources of the knowledge / archives / include in
>> the SVN
>>
>>
>>
>> Governance
>>
>> Clear Leadership. Define the roles in the project and make them clear.
>>
>> Make the structure and policies of the project clear: decision making
>> process.
>>
>> Document how to get involved in the project and behavioural
>> guidelines for contributors.
>>
>> Consider elected leadership?
>>
>> Ensure contributors have rights to contribute.
>>
>> Consistent, predictable release cycle and development iterations.
>>
>> Provide translations of all the project documentation
>>
>> Implement consistent development process, and how to contribute code.
>>
>>
>>
>> Market
>>
>> Increase number of organisations with rights to modify the code.
>>
>> Increase number of 'paid for' contributors.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>> Lockley
>> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:24
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>>
>>
>>
>> I propose two wiki pages
>>
>>
>>
>> 1 for API
>>
>> 2 for roadmap
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Julian Tenney
>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Let's use that then. I might need some guidance around the community
>>
>>> website stuff - I don't know what's there, or where to find it,
>>
>>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>
>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>>
>>> Reijnders
>>
>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:22
>>
>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>
>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Yes
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Op 29-10-2012 15:18, Julian Tenney schreef:
>>
>>>> Is there a wiki?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>
>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>
>>>> Lockley
>>
>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:13
>>
>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>
>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> are we allowed to? *semi serious question*
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>> OK!
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>
>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>
>>>>> Lockley
>>
>>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:12
>>
>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>
>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> or we could use the community website
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Well, what things would it address: we should make a list
>>>>>> somewhere
>>
>>>>>> (titanpad?)
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>
>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Pat
>>
>>>>>> Lockley
>>
>>>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 14:09
>>
>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>
>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Happy to give it a whirl - could I ask for a roadmap in return :)
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Agree. Tend to think you'd be an excellent person to write it!
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>
>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Pat
>>
>>>>>>> Lockley
>>
>>>>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 13:58
>>
>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> I think there is a big case for an API to be honest - allows a
>>>>>>> lot
>>
>>>>>>> of stuff to happen
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> but that's just me
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think many people have done anything, but accessing the
>>>>>>>> raw data easily is really useful if you want to start messing
>>>>>>>> with it, putting into other formats etc, so if it's not on the
>>>>>>>> properties tab, as long as it's available (and you can find out
>>>>>>>> how to get it) that's OK. I found it very useful to build the mobile stuff we played around with.
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> So you might have a sequence of API-like calls, i.e.
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> http://server.com/toolkits/getInfo_1234
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> //returns info to tell you what you can expect and in what
>>>>>>>> format, or what params you can use in your request for the data.
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Can XML *always* be output as JSON and vice versa? I suppose
>>>>>>>> you
>>
>>>>>>>> can always crunch what you get for the format you need, but
>>
>>>>>>>> better to get what you need straight away,
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>
>>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>>
>>>>>>>> Pat Lockley
>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 13:25
>>
>>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: 1.9 properties
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> Also, would JSON export be more useful / as useful as XML export?
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Pat Lockley
>>>>>>>> <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>> WordPress has a theme supports function, so I am thinking of
>>
>>>>>>>>> having a list to indicate the tabs per template, or something
>>
>>>>>>>>> similar
>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Ron Mitchell
>>>>>>>>> <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1, 2 & 3
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Personally I don't think it's a necessity that the same tabs
>>
>>>>>>>>>> exist for all templates but I suspect it's easier to just
>>
>>>>>>>>>> display a message like 'This property is not relevant to this
>>>>>>>>>> template'
>>
>>>>>>>>>> than it is to change the code to dynamically change tabs
>>>>>>>>>> based on the template in use.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> 4
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Increase the properties window size and display 'This
>>>>>>>>>> property
>>
>>>>>>>>>> is not relevant to this template' for Xerte templates?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just my quick thoughts...
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ron
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pat Lockley
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: 29 October 2012 12:48
>>
>>>>>>>>>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] 1.9 properties
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> On the properties panel there are several options which are
>>
>>>>>>>>>> sort of xerte specific - XML and media and quota for example.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some of the new templates aren't XML, so XML makes no sense -
>>
>>>>>>>>>> and the media and quota code is very xerte specific.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would people think
>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1) all off these options should exist for all templates?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2) should tabs exist even if the functionality doesn't?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3) what sort of message should it say
>>
>>>>>>>>>> 4) what if I have scope for an extra tab?
>>
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