[Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test

[Julian Tenney]

Let's leave it for now. Priority now is getting the release done, and there's still a bit to do,
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley [patrick.lockley at googlemail.com]
Sent: 09 May 2012 20:53
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test

Well you could do it on page title?

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On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> firstly yes I always encourage people to think granular and not build one
> big LO but sometimes original plans change and even with a relatively small
> LO linking to a specific page can be very useful.
>
> It obviously hasn't ever been available in XOT but for me the simplest would
> be if authors could simply append something like &page=5  or just #page=5 to
> link to page 5. e.g. similar to what you can do with pdf's
> http://www.example.com/myfile.pdf#page=5
>
> Before anyone says "that's not reliable what happens when pages are moved
> around" it's no different to other self-authored resources - the author
> would know the implications of that and re-send or update the deep link if
> pages are re-ordered and in most cases would only be sending deep links to
> established resources unlikely to change or when the deep link is an
> individualised point inWel time reference rather than needing to be a permalink
> etc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 09 May 2012 20:05
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>
> i can't recall where the deep link is shown? how does a teacher find it?
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> One objection:
>> Your deep linking examples "moodle resources, pages with websites,
>> specific blog posts etc" are support materials correct?
>>
>> So in the flow of a coherent LO, you can pop up some backup or
>> exploratory material.
>> They generally aren't "Abandon the current learning object, jump to
>> this blog post and continue the lesson from there".
>>
>> I see the use of being able to send a link via email.
>> As you say, it's all in context. The needs hierarchy. :-)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:47:38 +0100
>>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>
>> I demonstrated the online copy of the test file today as an example of
>> possible features of the upcoming 1.8 release and as expected
>> delegates thought it very useful. In my experience it's something
>> people have wanted for a long time e.g. they often use deep linking to
>> moodle resources, pages with websites, specific blog posts etc and
>> particularly in an FE and ACL context and have often voiced
>> frustration at not being able to do so with Xerte LO's. There are
>> limitations in having to say "follow this link to the first page of
>> this LO and then navigate to page x" especially in areas such a SFL
>> etc. The ability to send a direct link via email or to add a link in
>> another resource to a page within an LO would be very useful in many
>> cases - if it's possible and reliable. It's not a game changer but useful
> on the occasions where it might be used for a particular reason e.g.
>> differentiation and for instance if you take the 560 example
>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 there are many occasions
>> where it would be useful to link to a specific page when providing CPD
>> support etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> So if it's unreliable or likely to delay the release then in that
>> context it's not so important but if it can be made to work in a
>> satisfactory way then I can see it being a very useful including the
>> ability to link to new page types within an updated 560 example when
>> highlighting what's new in 1.8.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Burnett
>> Sent: 09 May 2012 13:08
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Always value in pure research, but just to be a negative Nellie, I've
>> real doubts about a feature like this actually being used, even if the
>> technical issues are addressed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Authorware had "jumpfile", which seamlessly segued between files.
>>
>> It was used if you had a router style architecture.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't remember anyone asking for the ability to jump to a specific page.
>>
>> That sounds like a glossary or definition type structure requirement
>> and there's easier ways to accomplish those.
>>
>> And without the ability to return to the same place in the calling
>> module (Call and Return), I don't see huge numbers of folks using it.
>>
>>
>>
>> But like I said, futzing around is a great way to stumble across other
>> nuggets.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:23:32 +0100
>> From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>
>> According to my Xerte desktop installation it generates a linkID and
>> not a pageID
>>
>>
>>
>> phew you had me worried there for a minute :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> I know you have referred to "deep linking" before but I was never sure
>> what you meant.
>>
>>
>>
>> The idea here was to create a link using a value known to the learning
>> object author.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was just an experiment. Maybe if it works without the delay in XOT
>> then it would be more acceptable.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can shorten the delay in Xerte but in the absence of a means of
>> knowing when the page array has been fully populated it will always be
>> guess work as to how short the delay can be.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 May 2012 12:05, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> No, the wizard automatically produces a pageID in the xml – you’ll
>> have seen it I’m sure. The intention for this was to facilitate deep
> linking, i.e.
>> ?pageID=321234524
>>
>>
>>
>> But when Pat and I tried to get it to work nicely we couldn’t and parked
> it.
>> It may well be we hit the same issue you have hit: the need for the
>> delay, which I don’t think is acceptable to the end user.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
>> Johnathan
>> Sent: 09 May 2012 11:54
>>
>>
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>
>>
>>
>> The javascript routine used matches a name to data, so you could just
>> as easily use ?name=titlePage as you could ?pageID=titlePage
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem with using name is that the page name is more likely to be
>> "Title Page" and the use of spaces might cause a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was never intended that this should be an alternative routing
>> internally within a learning object to another page in that learning
>> object. It was only intended to be a means of opening a different
>> learning object, which you can do already using a URL. The only
>> difference here was that someone on one of the postings was lamenting
>> the inability to open a new learning object at a specific page.
>>
>>
>>
>> The version for XOT would have to use the extXML which, from memory,
>> did not suffer the need for a delay before it could be used. But I am
>> quite happy to leave it out of this release as once people were happy
>> it would work OK then it could be added later.
>>
>>
>>
>> I need a little time to finish the XOT demo version anyway and right
>> now I am focusing on an update to the scenario page to make it easier
>> to implement scenarios like the Farmer, the Goose, the Fox and the Bag
>> of Grain on one side of the river.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 May 2012 10:31, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> The need for that delay may well be why we decided to leave it last time.
>> It’s disorienting to see the page for that long and then suddenly be
>> moved on. Let’s leave this for another time.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
>> Johnathan
>> Sent: 05 May 2012 10:17
>>
>>
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>
>>
>>
>> The delay is because I have had to put a timer in to give Xerte the
>> time to build the rootIcon.pages array - it's a bit of guess work as
>> to how long I need to give it. It would be nice if the onInit event
>> didn't fire until the array had completed being built, then I could
>> remove the timer and the delay would be reduced to the minimum required.
>>
>>
>>
>> In XOT you use a different array so I think the time delay will be
>> insignificant as if I recall correctly the array was already fully
>> available.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll run some further tests in XOT now that I have the javascript
>> sorted out and then post something for you to try out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5 May 2012 09:44, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Working fine here too
>> http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/urlTest/index.htm?pageID=menu
>>
>> Win 7 64bit
>>
>> IE 8.0
>>
>> Chrome 18.0
>>
>> Safari 5.1.5
>>
>> Opera 10.60
>>
>> Firefox 12.0
>>
>>
>>
>> Great job Jonathan this will be a very popular feature.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
>> Reijnders
>> Sent: 05 May 2012 08:23
>> To: For Xerte technical developers
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>>
>>
>>
>> Working fine here (although with a noticeable lag, first page is shown
>> and after 1 second the menu page is opened)
>>
>> Windows 7, 64 bit IE9, FF12, Chrome 18
>>
>> Op 4-5-2012 23:36, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been working (between beta version stuff) on a means of making
>> it possible to open a Xerte project at a specific page, rather than
>> always have them open at the title page.
>>
>>
>>
>> Attached is a simple 3 page desktop Xerte project as a proof of concept.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do not open it in Xerte (at least until you have finished testing it!)
>> If you publish the project, in Xerte, your local copy of rloObject.js
>> will overwrite the one in the project and the code that supports the
>> redirection will be lost.
>>
>>
>>
>> Would you mind unzipping it and then opening index.htm in a web
>> browser - not Xerte.
>>
>>
>>
>> For it to work you will need to set up the folder in which you place
>> it as a trusted location in the Flash player settings (otherwise
>> javascript calls will not work).
>>
>>
>>
>> It should open at a title page.
>>
>>
>>
>> Then add to the url in your browser
>>
>>
>>
>> ?pageID=menu
>>
>>
>>
>> and press enter to reload the page.
>>
>>
>>
>> After a short delay the project should redirect from the title page to
>> the menu page.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have tested this in Firefox, IE8, and Opera.
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone has other browsers at their disposal I would be keen to know
>> if the redirection works. e.g. Chrome, Safari,
>>
>>
>>
>> Should you examine the project the key stuff that makes it work is a
>> function at the end of rlsObject.js and some code running off the
>> onInitHandler interaction in the entry frame. Because
>> rootIcon.pages.length has not finished being built when the onInit
>> event fires I have added a timer to create a delay to allow time for
>> the array to be built - hence the delay before redirection takes place.
>>
>>
>>
>> Should this prove reliable in your testing I believe the same approach
>> should be applicable to XOT (albeit using a different array to source
>> the page information)
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Johnathan
>>
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