[Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test

[Dave Burnett]

Absolutely.AW had a very ugly loading screen so I would set the embedding div height to 0 until a js function call on page 1 set it to the correct size.

> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 20:53:34 +0100
> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
> 
> Well you could do it on page title?
> 
> if(startpage){
> 
> Cover LO while LO loads
> move to startpage
> uncover LO
> 
> }
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> > firstly yes I always encourage people to think granular and not build one
> > big LO but sometimes original plans change and even with a relatively small
> > LO linking to a specific page can be very useful.
> >
> > It obviously hasn't ever been available in XOT but for me the simplest would
> > be if authors could simply append something like &page=5  or just #page=5 to
> > link to page 5. e.g. similar to what you can do with pdf's
> > http://www.example.com/myfile.pdf#page=5
> >
> > Before anyone says "that's not reliable what happens when pages are moved
> > around" it's no different to other self-authored resources - the author
> > would know the implications of that and re-send or update the deep link if
> > pages are re-ordered and in most cases would only be sending deep links to
> > established resources unlikely to change or when the deep link is an
> > individualised point inWel time reference rather than needing to be a permalink
> > etc.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> > Sent: 09 May 2012 20:05
> > To: For Xerte technical developers
> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
> >
> > i can't recall where the deep link is shown? how does a teacher find it?
> >
> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> One objection:
> >> Your deep linking examples "moodle resources, pages with websites,
> >> specific blog posts etc" are support materials correct?
> >>
> >> So in the flow of a coherent LO, you can pop up some backup or
> >> exploratory material.
> >> They generally aren't "Abandon the current learning object, jump to
> >> this blog post and continue the lesson from there".
> >>
> >> I see the use of being able to send a link via email.
> >> As you say, it's all in context. The needs hierarchy. :-)
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:47:38 +0100
> >>
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
> >>
> >> I demonstrated the online copy of the test file today as an example of
> >> possible features of the upcoming 1.8 release and as expected
> >> delegates thought it very useful. In my experience it's something
> >> people have wanted for a long time e.g. they often use deep linking to
> >> moodle resources, pages with websites, specific blog posts etc and
> >> particularly in an FE and ACL context and have often voiced
> >> frustration at not being able to do so with Xerte LO's. There are
> >> limitations in having to say "follow this link to the first page of
> >> this LO and then navigate to page x" especially in areas such a SFL
> >> etc. The ability to send a direct link via email or to add a link in
> >> another resource to a page within an LO would be very useful in many
> >> cases - if it's possible and reliable. It's not a game changer but useful
> > on the occasions where it might be used for a particular reason e.g.
> >> differentiation and for instance if you take the 560 example
> >> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 there are many occasions
> >> where it would be useful to link to a specific page when providing CPD
> >> support etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So if it's unreliable or likely to delay the release then in that
> >> context it's not so important but if it can be made to work in a
> >> satisfactory way then I can see it being a very useful including the
> >> ability to link to new page types within an updated 560 example when
> >> highlighting what's new in 1.8.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave
> >> Burnett
> >> Sent: 09 May 2012 13:08
> >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Always value in pure research, but just to be a negative Nellie, I've
> >> real doubts about a feature like this actually being used, even if the
> >> technical issues are addressed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Authorware had "jumpfile", which seamlessly segued between files.
> >>
> >> It was used if you had a router style architecture.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Don't remember anyone asking for the ability to jump to a specific page.
> >>
> >> That sounds like a glossary or definition type structure requirement
> >> and there's easier ways to accomplish those.
> >>
> >> And without the ability to return to the same place in the calling
> >> module (Call and Return), I don't see huge numbers of folks using it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But like I said, futzing around is a great way to stumble across other
> >> nuggets.
> >>
> >> :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:23:32 +0100
> >> From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
> >> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
> >>
> >> According to my Xerte desktop installation it generates a linkID and
> >> not a pageID
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> phew you had me worried there for a minute :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I know you have referred to "deep linking" before but I was never sure
> >> what you meant.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The idea here was to create a link using a value known to the learning
> >> object author.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It was just an experiment. Maybe if it works without the delay in XOT
> >> then it would be more acceptable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I can shorten the delay in Xerte but in the absence of a means of
> >> knowing when the page array has been fully populated it will always be
> >> guess work as to how short the delay can be.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Johnathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9 May 2012 12:05, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> No, the wizard automatically produces a pageID in the xml – you’ll
> >> have seen it I’m sure. The intention for this was to facilitate deep
> > linking, i.e.
> >> ?pageID=321234524
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But when Pat and I tried to get it to work nicely we couldn’t and parked
> > it.
> >> It may well be we hit the same issue you have hit: the need for the
> >> delay, which I don’t think is acceptable to the end user.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> >> Johnathan
> >> Sent: 09 May 2012 11:54
> >>
> >>
> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The javascript routine used matches a name to data, so you could just
> >> as easily use ?name=titlePage as you could ?pageID=titlePage
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The problem with using name is that the page name is more likely to be
> >> "Title Page" and the use of spaces might cause a problem.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It was never intended that this should be an alternative routing
> >> internally within a learning object to another page in that learning
> >> object. It was only intended to be a means of opening a different
> >> learning object, which you can do already using a URL. The only
> >> difference here was that someone on one of the postings was lamenting
> >> the inability to open a new learning object at a specific page.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The version for XOT would have to use the extXML which, from memory,
> >> did not suffer the need for a delay before it could be used. But I am
> >> quite happy to leave it out of this release as once people were happy
> >> it would work OK then it could be added later.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I need a little time to finish the XOT demo version anyway and right
> >> now I am focusing on an update to the scenario page to make it easier
> >> to implement scenarios like the Farmer, the Goose, the Fox and the Bag
> >> of Grain on one side of the river.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Johnathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9 May 2012 10:31, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> The need for that delay may well be why we decided to leave it last time.
> >> It’s disorienting to see the page for that long and then suddenly be
> >> moved on. Let’s leave this for another time.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> >> Johnathan
> >> Sent: 05 May 2012 10:17
> >>
> >>
> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The delay is because I have had to put a timer in to give Xerte the
> >> time to build the rootIcon.pages array - it's a bit of guess work as
> >> to how long I need to give it. It would be nice if the onInit event
> >> didn't fire until the array had completed being built, then I could
> >> remove the timer and the delay would be reduced to the minimum required.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In XOT you use a different array so I think the time delay will be
> >> insignificant as if I recall correctly the array was already fully
> >> available.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll run some further tests in XOT now that I have the javascript
> >> sorted out and then post something for you to try out.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Johnathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5 May 2012 09:44, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> Working fine here too
> >> http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/urlTest/index.htm?pageID=menu
> >>
> >> Win 7 64bit
> >>
> >> IE 8.0
> >>
> >> Chrome 18.0
> >>
> >> Safari 5.1.5
> >>
> >> Opera 10.60
> >>
> >> Firefox 12.0
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Great job Jonathan this will be a very popular feature.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> >> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom
> >> Reijnders
> >> Sent: 05 May 2012 08:23
> >> To: For Xerte technical developers
> >> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Working fine here (although with a noticeable lag, first page is shown
> >> and after 1 second the menu page is opened)
> >>
> >> Windows 7, 64 bit IE9, FF12, Chrome 18
> >>
> >> Op 4-5-2012 23:36, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
> >>
> >> Hello Everyone,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have been working (between beta version stuff) on a means of making
> >> it possible to open a Xerte project at a specific page, rather than
> >> always have them open at the title page.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Attached is a simple 3 page desktop Xerte project as a proof of concept.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Do not open it in Xerte (at least until you have finished testing it!)
> >> If you publish the project, in Xerte, your local copy of rloObject.js
> >> will overwrite the one in the project and the code that supports the
> >> redirection will be lost.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Would you mind unzipping it and then opening index.htm in a web
> >> browser - not Xerte.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> For it to work you will need to set up the folder in which you place
> >> it as a trusted location in the Flash player settings (otherwise
> >> javascript calls will not work).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It should open at a title page.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Then add to the url in your browser
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ?pageID=menu
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> and press enter to reload the page.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> After a short delay the project should redirect from the title page to
> >> the menu page.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have tested this in Firefox, IE8, and Opera.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If anyone has other browsers at their disposal I would be keen to know
> >> if the redirection works. e.g. Chrome, Safari,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Should you examine the project the key stuff that makes it work is a
> >> function at the end of rlsObject.js and some code running off the
> >> onInitHandler interaction in the entry frame. Because
> >> rootIcon.pages.length has not finished being built when the onInit
> >> event fires I have added a timer to create a delay to allow time for
> >> the array to be built - hence the delay before redirection takes place.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Should this prove reliable in your testing I believe the same approach
> >> should be applicable to XOT (albeit using a different array to source
> >> the page information)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Johnathan
> >>
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