[Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test

Pat Lockley patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
Wed May 9 20:05:08 BST 2012 

i can't recall where the deep link is shown? how does a teacher find it?

On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> One objection:
> Your deep linking examples "moodle resources, pages with websites, specific
> blog posts etc" are support materials correct?
>
> So in the flow of a coherent LO, you can pop up some backup or exploratory
> material.
> They generally aren't "Abandon the current learning object, jump to this
> blog post and continue the lesson from there".
>
> I see the use of being able to send a link via email.
> As you say, it's all in context. The needs hierarchy. :-)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:47:38 +0100
>
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>
> I demonstrated the online copy of the test file today as an example of
> possible features of the upcoming 1.8 release and as expected delegates
> thought it very useful. In my experience it's something people have wanted
> for a long time e.g. they often use deep linking to moodle resources, pages
> with websites, specific blog posts etc and particularly in an FE and ACL
> context and have often voiced frustration at not being able to do so with
> Xerte LO's. There are limitations in having to say "follow this link to the
> first page of this LO and then navigate to page x" especially in areas such
> a SFL etc. The ability to send a direct link via email or to add a link in
> another resource to a page within an LO would be very useful in many cases -
> if it's possible and reliable. It's not a game changer but useful on the
> occasions where it might be used for a particular reason e.g.
> differentiation and for instance if you take the 560 example
> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 there are many occasions where
> it would be useful to link to a specific page when providing CPD support
> etc.
>
>
>
> So if it's unreliable or likely to delay the release then in that context
> it's not so important but if it can be made to work in a satisfactory way
> then I can see it being a very useful including the ability to link to new
> page types within an updated 560 example when highlighting what's new in
> 1.8.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
> Sent: 09 May 2012 13:08
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>
>
>
>
>
> Always value in pure research, but just to be a negative Nellie, I've real
> doubts about a feature like this actually being used, even if the technical
> issues are addressed.
>
>
>
> Authorware had "jumpfile", which seamlessly segued between files.
>
> It was used if you had a router style architecture.
>
>
>
> Don't remember anyone asking for the ability to jump to a specific page.
>
> That sounds like a glossary or definition type structure requirement and
> there's easier ways to accomplish those.
>
> And without the ability to return to the same place in the calling module
> (Call and Return), I don't see huge numbers of folks using it.
>
>
>
> But like I said, futzing around is a great way to stumble across other
> nuggets.
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:23:32 +0100
> From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>
> According to my Xerte desktop installation it generates a linkID and not a
> pageID
>
>
>
> phew you had me worried there for a minute :-)
>
>
>
> I know you have referred to "deep linking" before but I was never sure what
> you meant.
>
>
>
> The idea here was to create a link using a value known to the learning
> object author.
>
>
>
> It was just an experiment. Maybe if it works without the delay in XOT then
> it would be more acceptable.
>
>
>
> I can shorten the delay in Xerte but in the absence of a means of knowing
> when the page array has been fully populated it will always be guess work as
> to how short the delay can be.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 9 May 2012 12:05, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> No, the wizard automatically produces a pageID in the xml – you’ll have seen
> it I’m sure. The intention for this was to facilitate deep linking, i.e.
> ?pageID=321234524
>
>
>
> But when Pat and I tried to get it to work nicely we couldn’t and parked it.
> It may well be we hit the same issue you have hit: the need for the delay,
> which I don’t think is acceptable to the end user.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> Johnathan
> Sent: 09 May 2012 11:54
>
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>
>
>
> The javascript routine used matches a name to data, so you could just as
> easily use ?name=titlePage as you could ?pageID=titlePage
>
>
>
> The problem with using name is that the page name is more likely to be
> "Title Page" and the use of spaces might cause a problem.
>
>
>
> It was never intended that this should be an alternative routing internally
> within a learning object to another page in that learning object. It was
> only intended to be a means of opening a different learning object, which
> you can do already using a URL. The only difference here was that someone on
> one of the postings was lamenting the inability to open a new learning
> object at a specific page.
>
>
>
> The version for XOT would have to use the extXML which, from memory, did not
> suffer the need for a delay before it could be used. But I am quite happy to
> leave it out of this release as once people were happy it would work OK then
> it could be added later.
>
>
>
> I need a little time to finish the XOT demo version anyway and right now I
> am focusing on an update to the scenario page to make it easier to implement
> scenarios like the Farmer, the Goose, the Fox and the Bag of Grain on one
> side of the river.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 9 May 2012 10:31, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> The need for that delay may well be why we decided to leave it last time.
> It’s disorienting to see the page for that long and then suddenly be moved
> on. Let’s leave this for another time.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp
> Johnathan
> Sent: 05 May 2012 10:17
>
>
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>
>
>
> The delay is because I have had to put a timer in to give Xerte the time to
> build the rootIcon.pages array - it's a bit of guess work as to how long I
> need to give it. It would be nice if the onInit event didn't fire until the
> array had completed being built, then I could remove the timer and the delay
> would be reduced to the minimum required.
>
>
>
> In XOT you use a different array so I think the time delay will be
> insignificant as if I recall correctly the array was already fully
> available.
>
>
>
> I'll run some further tests in XOT now that I have the javascript sorted out
> and then post something for you to try out.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 5 May 2012 09:44, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Working fine here too
> http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/urlTest/index.htm?pageID=menu
>
> Win 7 64bit
>
> IE 8.0
>
> Chrome 18.0
>
> Safari 5.1.5
>
> Opera 10.60
>
> Firefox 12.0
>
>
>
> Great job Jonathan this will be a very popular feature.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
> Sent: 05 May 2012 08:23
> To: For Xerte technical developers
> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test
>
>
>
> Working fine here (although with a noticeable lag, first page is shown and
> after 1 second the menu page is opened)
>
> Windows 7, 64 bit IE9, FF12, Chrome 18
>
> Op 4-5-2012 23:36, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
>
>
> I have been working (between beta version stuff) on a means of making it
> possible to open a Xerte project at a specific page, rather than always have
> them open at the title page.
>
>
>
> Attached is a simple 3 page desktop Xerte project as a proof of concept.
>
>
>
> Do not open it in Xerte (at least until you have finished testing it!) If
> you publish the project, in Xerte, your local copy of rloObject.js will
> overwrite the one in the project and the code that supports the redirection
> will be lost.
>
>
>
> Would you mind unzipping it and then opening index.htm in a web browser -
> not Xerte.
>
>
>
> For it to work you will need to set up the folder in which you place it as a
> trusted location in the Flash player settings (otherwise javascript calls
> will not work).
>
>
>
> It should open at a title page.
>
>
>
> Then add to the url in your browser
>
>
>
> ?pageID=menu
>
>
>
> and press enter to reload the page.
>
>
>
> After a short delay the project should redirect from the title page to the
> menu page.
>
>
>
> I have tested this in Firefox, IE8, and Opera.
>
>
>
> If anyone has other browsers at their disposal I would be keen to know if
> the redirection works. e.g. Chrome, Safari,
>
>
>
> Should you examine the project the key stuff that makes it work is a
> function at the end of rlsObject.js and some code running off the
> onInitHandler interaction in the entry frame. Because rootIcon.pages.length
> has not finished being built when the onInit event fires I have added a
> timer to create a delay to allow time for the array to be built - hence the
> delay before redirection takes place.
>
>
>
> Should this prove reliable in your testing I believe the same approach
> should be applicable to XOT (albeit using a different array to source the
> page information)
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Johnathan
>
>
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