[Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test

Wed May 9 20:01:48 BST 2012

One objection:
Your deep linking examples "moodle resources, pages with websites, specific blog posts etc" are support materials correct?
So in the flow of a coherent LO, you can pop up some backup or exploratory material.They generally aren't "Abandon the current learning object, jump to this blog post and continue the lesson from there".
I see the use of being able to send a link via email.As you say, it's all in context. The needs hierarchy. :-)
Dave

From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 19:47:38 +0100
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test

I demonstrated the online copy of the test file today as an example of possible features of the upcoming 1.8 release and as expected delegates thought it very useful. In my experience it's something people have wanted for a long time e.g. they often use deep linking to moodle resources, pages with websites, specific blog posts etc and particularly in an FE and ACL context and have often voiced frustration at not being able to do so with Xerte LO's. There are limitations in having to say "follow this link to the first page of this LO and then navigate to page x" especially in areas such a SFL etc. The ability to send a direct link via email or to add a link in another resource to a page within an LO would be very useful in many cases - if it's possible and reliable. It's not a game changer but useful on the occasions where it might be used for a particular reason e.g. differentiation and for instance if you take the 560 example http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560 there are many occasions where it would be useful to link to a specific page when providing CPD support etc. So if it's unreliable or likely to delay the release then in that context it's not so important but if it can be made to work in a satisfactory way then I can see it being a very useful including the ability to link to new page types within an updated 560 example when highlighting what's new in 1.8. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 09 May 2012 13:08
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test  Always value in pure research, but just to be a negative Nellie, I've real doubts about a feature like this actually being used, even if the technical issues are addressed. Authorware had "jumpfile", which seamlessly segued between files.It was used if you had a router style architecture. Don't remember anyone asking for the ability to jump to a specific page.That sounds like a glossary or definition type structure requirement and there's easier ways to accomplish those.And without the ability to return to the same place in the calling module (Call and Return), I don't see huge numbers of folks using it. But like I said, futzing around is a great way to stumble across other nuggets.:-)  Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:23:32 +0100
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept testAccording to my Xerte desktop installation it generates a linkID and not a pageID  phew you had me worried there for a minute :-) I know you have referred to "deep linking" before but I was never sure what you meant. The idea here was to create a link using a value known to the learning object author. It was just an experiment. Maybe if it works without the delay in XOT then it would be more acceptable. I can shorten the delay in Xerte but in the absence of a means of knowing when the page array has been fully populated it will always be guess work as to how short the delay can be. Kind regards Johnathan On 9 May 2012 12:05, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:No, the wizard automatically produces a pageID in the xml – you’ll have seen it I’m sure. The intention for this was to facilitate deep linking, i.e. ?pageID=321234524 But when Pat and I tried to get it to work nicely we couldn’t and parked it. It may well be we hit the same issue you have hit: the need for the delay, which I don’t think is acceptable to the end user. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 09 May 2012 11:54
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test The javascript routine used matches a name to data, so you could just as easily use ?name=titlePage as you could ?pageID=titlePage  The problem with using name is that the page name is more likely to be "Title Page" and the use of spaces might cause a problem. It was never intended that this should be an alternative routing internally within a learning object to another page in that learning object. It was only intended to be a means of opening a different learning object, which you can do already using a URL. The only difference here was that someone on one of the postings was lamenting the inability to open a new learning object at a specific page. The version for XOT would have to use the extXML which, from memory, did not suffer the need for a delay before it could be used. But I am quite happy to leave it out of this release as once people were happy it would work OK then it could be added later. I need a little time to finish the XOT demo version anyway and right now I am focusing on an update to the scenario page to make it easier to implement scenarios like the Farmer, the Goose, the Fox and the Bag of Grain on one side of the river.  Kind regards Johnathan On 9 May 2012 10:31, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:The need for that delay may well be why we decided to leave it last time. It’s disorienting to see the page for that long and then suddenly be moved on. Let’s leave this for another time. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 05 May 2012 10:17
To: For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test The delay is because I have had to put a timer in to give Xerte the time to build the rootIcon.pages array - it's a bit of guess work as to how long I need to give it. It would be nice if the onInit event didn't fire until the array had completed being built, then I could remove the timer and the delay would be reduced to the minimum required. In XOT you use a different array so I think the time delay will be insignificant as if I recall correctly the array was already fully available. I'll run some further tests in XOT now that I have the javascript sorted out and then post something for you to try out. Kind regards Johnathan On 5 May 2012 09:44, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk> wrote:Working fine here too http://vle.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xot/urlTest/index.htm?pageID=menuWin 7 64bitIE 8.0Chrome 18.0Safari 5.1.5Opera 10.60Firefox 12.0 Great job Jonathan this will be a very popular feature. From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 05 May 2012 08:23
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Proof of concept test Working fine here (although with a noticeable lag, first page is shown and after 1 second the menu page is opened)

Windows 7, 64 bit IE9, FF12, Chrome 18

Op 4-5-2012 23:36, Kemp Johnathan schreef: Hello Everyone, I have been working (between beta version stuff) on a means of making it possible to open a Xerte project at a specific page, rather than always have them open at the title page. Attached is a simple 3 page desktop Xerte project as a proof of concept. Do not open it in Xerte (at least until you have finished testing it!) If you publish the project, in Xerte, your local copy of rloObject.js will overwrite the one in the project and the code that supports the redirection will be lost. Would you mind unzipping it and then opening index.htm in a web browser - not Xerte. For it to work you will need to set up the folder in which you place it as a trusted location in the Flash player settings (otherwise javascript calls will not work). It should open at a title page. Then add to the url in your browser  ?pageID=menu and press enter to reload the page. After a short delay the project should redirect from the title page to the menu page. I have tested this in Firefox, IE8, and Opera.  If anyone has other browsers at their disposal I would be keen to know if the redirection works. e.g. Chrome, Safari, Should you examine the project the key stuff that makes it work is a function at the end of rlsObject.js and some code running off the onInitHandler interaction in the entry frame. Because rootIcon.pages.length has not finished being built when the onInit event fires I have added a timer to create a delay to allow time for the array to be built - hence the delay before redirection takes place. Should this prove reliable in your testing I believe the same approach should be applicable to XOT (albeit using a different array to source the page information) Kind regards Johnathan   This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it. Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment. Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachment may still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.  _______________________________________________Xerte-dev mailing listXerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.ukhttp://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/xerte-dev This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please send it back to me, and immediately delete it.   Please do not use, copy or disclose the information contained in this message or in any attachment.  Any views or opinions expressed by the author of this email do not necessarily reflect the views of the University of Nottingham. This message has been checked for viruses but the contents of an attachmentmay still contain software viruses which could damage your computer system:you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with theUniversity of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.  -- --  Tom ReijndersTOR Informatica Chopinlaan 27 5242HM RosmalenTel: 073 5226191Fax: 073 5226196 
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