[Xerte-dev] Re: Desktop files developments - ready for testing
Julian Tenney
Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
Mon Mar 19 16:15:55 GMT 2012
Thanks. Everything is checked in.
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 19 March 2012 16:10
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Desktop files developments - ready for testing
Tom,
In the absence of an answer I will add Julian's changes now.
I should be able to update the pageWizard section of the svn with the changes by end of play today :-)
Kind regards
Johnathan
On 19 March 2012 13:37, Kemp Johnathan <johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>> wrote:
I got back earlier than expected.
Tom, do you want me to update the files in line with Julian's changes or do you want to handle it?
With respect to the Xerte desktop menu uptions do you think they need looking at?
Currently to create a new project we have
File / New...
Pages / Create Template Project from Pages
Pages / Create new Page Project
Templates / Case Study
Templates / Media Interactions
Templates / Menu
Templates / Page Templates
Templates / Presentation
Templates / folders e.g. Dependent on what Page Wizards have been installed.
It's my understanding that the intention is that every page should be in Toolkits / Page Templates and that all the rest of the templates are effectively legacy items left over to provide compatibility with earlier projects.
Would it make sense to update the menu so that we had
File / New
/ Basic project (i.e. what you get now when you do File / New.)
/ Developer project (i.e. the new style of project offering individual page templates)
/ Toolkits style project (or Author project) i.e. pageTemplates project
Templates / Legacy (or Deprecated)
/ Case Study
/ Media Interactions
/ Menu
/ Presentation
/ Folders (i.e. the page wizard folders if Page Wizards are installed)
The Page Wizards should now be considered legacy items. I would not recommend that they continue to be available for download as all the functionality they offer is now in the Individual Page Templates as provided by the Developer project.
What do you think.
Kind regards
Johnathan
On 19 March 2012 10:57, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl<mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>> wrote:
About the 2 out of 4 issue....
Yes, you are absolutely right that you have to be careful with the order of words. My solution is just different, and in a way a bit more flexible. The 'numbers' are referred to by a 'macro'($C, or $T) and replaced in he text before display. This even gives you the freedom as a user to skip the 'of 10' part.
I'll put together an example and show you...
Regards,
Tom
Op 19-3-2012 11:43, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
Alistair was here on Friday and we did a few accessibility tweaks, also I've been checking some occasional fixes / new bits and pieces into \templates\pageTemplates\models, so there are possibly changes in the main set thata ren't reflected in your own?
Yes my current models will not include any changes you made on Friday. Tom if you want to update those changes go ahead. I will need to check over the tab nav connector as it may also need modifying since the tab navigator has changed. If you see any issues of accessibility that I have missed in the new pages then by all means address those as well.
Furthermore, Jonathan, do you mind if I change the way you handled the 'You scored 2 out of 4' issue. For a translator it is MUCH easier to have to translate 'You answered $C out of $T'. In the code you would have to substitute $C and $T, and you have to explain users NOT to change the $C and $T, but it is much more flexible and cleaner than the way you do it now in my humble opinion.
The only reason I implemented the question 1 of 8, you have scored 3 out of 10 etc. in a way that lets you choose whether to put the page number before the count or the count before the page number was because I don't know enough about the variety of languages that Xerte may get translated in to to be sure that one or more of them would not normally express things in what would be to us the reverse order. Just as in English we say telephone number whilst in French it is expresses as "number of the telephone". If this is unlikely to be an issue then there is no point in implementing it this way and simplifying it makes sense. I am happy to be guided by you.
Whilst I have put in an amount of work to help with this next version of Xerte I hope I can remain objective to achieving the optimum solution and not become overly attached to any particular feature that I may have introduced. If there are features that I have introduced that you feel could be improved or need modifying then now is the time to speak up. :-)
I think I understand what you are referring to with the concept of the translation database. I look forward to seeing what you have come up with. If it means that the English set remain the master set that are updated, and then your database allows for other translations file sets to be generated automatically then that will be extremely valuable in coping with the potential confusion that multiple sets of xwds could introduce.
I may not be available now until later today.
Kind regards
Johnathan
On 19 March 2012 10:01, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl<mailto:reijnders at tor.nl>> wrote:
Yes,
Ultimately, there will be one set. It is NOT needed, but VERY confusing if we don't do that. I am willing to make sure we merge in the changes.
Furthermore, Jonathan, do you mind if I change the way you handled the 'You scored 2 out of 4' issue. For a translator it is MUCH easier to have to translate 'You answered $C out of $T'. In the code you would have to substitute $C and $T, and you have to explain users NOT to change the $C and $T, but it is much more flexible and cleaner than the way you do it now in my humble opinion.
I appreciate all your hard work, and this will give the Xerte development by the community an enormous boost (I am convinced of that). Given the fact that you/we CANNOT change the identifiers used in the xwd (because that would absolutely break the current XOT LO's, the translation is far for trivial. You really have to know what you can change and what NOT to touch. Your document explains that clearly. Also, if we're not careful, we will re-introduce a maintenance nightmare, if the xwd's of a translation get out of synch with the English ones.
My proposal is to have an helper website that will take the English XWD's as master, and build a translation database from those. Than the XWD's for the other languages will be generated from the English XWD and the translation database. If all goes well, I've got something working by the end of the day...
Regards,
Tom
Op 19-3-2012 10:40, Julian Tenney schreef:
How are we going to merge the files in pageWizards\models with \templates\pageTemplates\models? We will end up with one set of models?
Alistair was here on Friday and we did a few accessibility tweaks, also I've been checking some occasional fixes / new bits and pieces into \templates\pageTemplates\models, so there are possibly changes in the main set thata ren't reflected in your own?
From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 17 March 2012 19:19
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Desktop files developments - ready for testing
I have now committed to the svn the new model and xwd files that have support for internationalisation and the generation of a single template.xwd file from a set of individual page xwd files. This includes new thumb images were required. I have also provide draft new versions of the project files pagetemplate.rlo complete with new xml and xwd files to provide a variety of project layout / colour change options. There are a number of new pages including 7 connector pages, an inventory page and an index changer page (desktop projects only);
I have updated the Project State of Play.rtf file to reflect what I believe is now the current situation.
As far as I can tell the only changes that will be required to be made to a few of the xwd files is the addition of the name of the icon once one has been added to the Xerte engine. Other than that they should be stable enough for translation to begin. In the svn I have added in the page wizards section a supporting documents folder which contains a brief guide to support the translation of xwd files into other languages. It is in both Open Office and pdf format, so that others can translate the document if they wish.
Kind regards
Johnathan
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