[Xerte-dev] Re: Desktop files developments - ready for testing

Kemp Johnathan johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
Mon Mar 19 16:10:05 GMT 2012 

Tom,

In the absence of an answer I will add Julian's changes now.

I should be able to update the pageWizard section of the svn with the
changes by end of play today :-)

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 19 March 2012 13:37, Kemp Johnathan <johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> I got back earlier than expected.
>
> Tom, do you want me to update the files in line with Julian's changes or
> do you want to handle it?
>
> With respect to the Xerte desktop menu uptions do you think they need
> looking at?
>
> Currently to create a new project we have
>
> File / New...
> Pages / Create Template Project from Pages
> Pages / Create new Page Project
> Templates / Case Study
> Templates / Media Interactions
> Templates / Menu
> Templates / Page Templates
> Templates / Presentation
> Templates / folders e.g. Dependent on what Page Wizards have been
> installed.
>
> It's my understanding that the intention is that every page should be in
> Toolkits / Page Templates and that all the rest of the templates are
> effectively legacy items left over to provide compatibility with earlier
> projects.
>
> Would it make sense to update the menu so that we had
>
> File / New
>                 / Basic project (i.e. what you get now when you do File /
> New.)
>                 / Developer project (i.e. the new style of project
> offering individual page templates)
>                 / Toolkits style project (or Author project) i.e.
> pageTemplates project
>
> Templates / Legacy (or Deprecated)
>                                / Case Study
>                                / Media Interactions
>                                / Menu
>                                / Presentation
>                                / Folders (i.e. the page wizard folders if
> Page Wizards are installed)
>
> The Page Wizards should now be considered legacy items. I would not
> recommend that they continue to be available for download as all the
> functionality they offer is now in the Individual Page Templates as
> provided by the Developer project.
>
> What do you think.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
> On 19 March 2012 10:57, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:
>
>>  About the 2 out of 4 issue....
>>
>> Yes, you are absolutely right that you have to be careful with the order
>> of words. My solution is just different, and in a way a bit more flexible.
>> The 'numbers' are  referred to by a 'macro'($C, or $T)  and replaced in he
>> text before display. This even gives you the freedom as a user to skip the
>> 'of 10' part.
>>
>> I'll put together an example and show you...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Op 19-3-2012 11:43, Kemp Johnathan schreef:
>>
>> Alistair was here on Friday and we did a few accessibility tweaks, also
>> I’ve been checking some occasional fixes / new bits and pieces into
>> \templates\pageTemplates\models, so there are possibly changes in the main
>> set thata ren’t reflected in your own?
>>
>>  Yes my current models will not include any changes you made on Friday.
>> Tom if you want to update those changes go ahead. I will need to check over
>> the tab nav connector as it may also need modifying since the tab navigator
>> has changed. If you see any issues of accessibility that I have missed in
>> the new pages then by all means address those as well.
>>
>>
>>  Furthermore, Jonathan, do you mind if I change the way you handled the
>> 'You scored 2 out of 4' issue. For a translator it is MUCH easier to have
>> to translate 'You answered $C out of $T'. In the code you would have to
>> substitute $C and $T, and you have to explain users NOT to change the $C
>> and $T, but it is much more flexible and cleaner than the way you do it now
>> in my humble opinion.
>>
>>  The only reason I implemented the question 1 of 8, you have scored 3
>> out of 10 etc. in a way that lets you choose whether to put the page number
>> before the count or the count before the page number was because I don't
>> know enough about the variety of languages that Xerte may get translated in
>> to to be sure that one or more of them would not normally express things in
>> what would be to us the reverse order. Just as in English we say telephone
>> number whilst in French it is expresses as "number of the telephone". If
>> this is unlikely to be an issue then there is no point in implementing it
>> this way and simplifying it makes sense. I am happy to be guided by you.
>>
>>  Whilst I have put in an amount of work to help with this next version
>> of Xerte I hope I can remain objective to achieving the optimum solution
>> and not become overly attached to any particular feature that I may have
>> introduced. If there are features that I have introduced that you feel
>> could be improved or need modifying then now is the time to speak up. :-)
>>
>>   I think I understand what you are referring to with the concept of the
>> translation database. I look forward to seeing what you have come up with.
>> If it means that the English set remain the master set that are updated,
>> and then your database allows for other translations file sets to be
>> generated automatically then that will be extremely valuable in coping with
>> the potential confusion that multiple sets of xwds could introduce.
>>
>>  I may not be available now until later today.
>>
>>  Kind regards
>>
>>  Johnathan
>>
>>  On 19 March 2012 10:01, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:
>>
>>>  Yes,
>>>
>>> Ultimately, there will be one set. It is NOT needed, but VERY confusing
>>> if we don't do that. I am willing to make sure we merge in the changes.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, Jonathan, do you mind if I change the way you handled the
>>> 'You scored 2 out of 4' issue. For a translator it is MUCH easier to have
>>> to translate 'You answered $C out of $T'. In the code you would have to
>>> substitute $C and $T, and you have to explain users NOT to change the $C
>>> and $T, but it is much more flexible and cleaner than the way you do it now
>>> in my humble opinion.
>>>
>>> I appreciate all your hard work, and this will give the Xerte
>>> development by the community an enormous boost (I am convinced of that).
>>> Given the fact that you/we CANNOT change the identifiers used in the xwd
>>> (because that would absolutely break the current XOT LO's, the translation
>>> is far for trivial.  You really have to know what you can change and what
>>> NOT to touch. Your document explains that clearly. Also, if we're not
>>> careful, we will re-introduce a maintenance nightmare, if the xwd's of a
>>> translation get out of synch with the English ones.
>>>
>>> My proposal is to have an helper website that will take the English
>>> XWD's as master, and build a translation database from those. Than the
>>> XWD's for the other languages will be generated from the English XWD and
>>> the translation database. If all goes well, I've got something working by
>>> the end of the day...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 19-3-2012 10:40, Julian Tenney schreef:
>>>
>>>   How are we going to merge the files in pageWizards\models with
>>> \templates\pageTemplates\models? We will end up with one set of models?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alistair was here on Friday and we did a few accessibility tweaks, also
>>> I’ve been checking some occasional fixes / new bits and pieces into
>>> \templates\pageTemplates\models, so there are possibly changes in the main
>>> set thata ren’t reflected in your own?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
>>> mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
>>> *Sent:* 17 March 2012 19:19
>>> *To:* Xerte Developers Discussion List
>>> *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Desktop files developments - ready for testing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have now committed to the svn the new model and xwd files that have
>>> support for internationalisation and the generation of a single
>>> template.xwd file from a set of individual page xwd files. This includes
>>> new thumb images were required. I have also provide draft new versions of
>>> the project files pagetemplate.rlo complete with new xml and xwd files to
>>> provide a variety of project layout / colour change options. There are a
>>> number of new pages including 7 connector pages, an inventory page and an
>>> index changer page (desktop projects only);
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have updated the Project State of Play.rtf file to reflect what I
>>> believe is now the current situation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I can tell the only changes that will be required to be made
>>> to a few of the xwd files is the addition of the name of the icon once one
>>> has been added to the Xerte engine. Other than that they should be stable
>>> enough for translation to begin. In the svn I have added in the page
>>> wizards section a supporting documents folder which contains a brief guide
>>> to support the translation of xwd files into other languages. It is in both
>>> Open Office and pdf format, so that others can translate the document if
>>> they wish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Johnathan
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