[Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release

Thu Jul 12 14:37:12 BST 2012

So joining the two threads together before Dave destroys each one and
discovers the Higgs Boson via email lists

WE NEED

1) A way of disabling set up once ran
2) A way of checking for the tables before an install runs and then
offering a choice

1 + 2 may be the same thing (in theory)

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Schrödinger's files.
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:27:55 +0100
>> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
>> To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>
>> Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release
>>
>> You don't "lose" them, they are just invisible - you could get them back.
>>
>> If you installed over the top you'd get horrific errors long before
>> much else (because the database and USER-FILES would be out of sync).
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> > Having just tested the For XAMPP People option and removed the error
>> > about
>> > demo.txt I created a test project and then re-ran setup with the For
>> > XAMPP
>> > People option again. No errors, no prompts but database is obviously
>> > overwritten and previous project disappears. I guess this has always
>> > been
>> > the case with the For XAMPP People option but with the objective of
>> > making
>> > initial install simple for people I think there really ought to be at
>> > least
>> > a warning/prompt that re-running setup will lose all existing projects
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
>> > Tenney
>> > Sent: 12 July 2012 12:06
>> >
>> >
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Presumably if you're doing a re-install you expect (and want to?) lose
>> >> anything which might already be there.
>> >
>> > I’d delete htdocs xerte toolkits and mysql/data/toolkits (or whatever
>> > the
>> > folder’s called) then drop the new files into htdocs and then go to
>> > setup
>> > for a fresh install.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I’m not sure how I’d try and keep existing content, or what I’d assume
>> > would
>> > happen if I went over the top. I’d probably assume nothing would be
>> > deleted
>> > without my say-so.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of David
>> > Goodwin
>> > Sent: 12 July 2012 12:02
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I would have added the drop's so if you're installing it a second time
>> > (over
>> > the top of an existing one) you don't get a load of error messages from
>> > MySQL/PHP saying "TAble X already exists" or whatever.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Presumably if you're doing a re-install you expect (and want to?) lose
>> > anything which might already be there.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > David.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12 Jul 2012, at 11:59, Pat Lockley wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Erm
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Well, the XAMPP version relies on
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 1) The database server being called localhost
>> >
>> > 2) The folder being xertetoolkits
>> >
>> > 3) The passwords being the default
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > So if you had 1.7 and then tried to install 1.8 on the same local PC -
>> > it'd
>> > die I suspect on the fact the xampp.sql in setup doesn't have any drop
>> > commands.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > But it'd not work anyways as you'd never be able to access it (as the
>> > urls
>> > and paths are fixed). So a second xampp install would point to
>> > http://localhost/xertetoolkits/ - but that would be the old 1.7 install.
>> > So
>> > the 1.8 install wouldn't ever really be accessible.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The XAMPP install is more important (in my mind) than the full install -
>> > just because it gives people who aren't technical a chance of getting it
>> > installed.
>> >
>> > It is a valid question though as there are now drop statements in
>> > basic.sql
>> > - which weren't there originally. I think the drops are a bit of a risk,
>> > but
>> > happy to be told otherwise.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Julian Tenney
>> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > I don’t know, this has always been an issue I guess. Warn the user? Try
>> > and
>> > migrate the content from one to another?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron
>> > Mitchell
>> > Sent: 12 July 2012 11:22
>> >
>> >
>> > To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes but as I said what happens if there's already an install?
>> >
>> > Meeting now will test again later.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
>> > Tenney
>> > Sent: 12 July 2012 11:13
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The quick one.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I think it’s there to give a real easy way of setting up for the
>> > non-techs,
>> > I think that’s important.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron
>> > Mitchell
>> > Sent: 12 July 2012 11:13
>> > To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I've not seen that error but I always use the full install option when
>> > testing with xampp not the quick xampp install option. Which did you
>> > use?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Although I understand why the quick install option is there I've always
>> > thought that has disadvantages too e.g. what happens when someone thinks
>> > ok
>> > I'll test 1.8 on the same xampp install where I have 1.7. They create a
>> > new
>> > directory, run setup, choose the xampp option rather than full install -
>> > does it overwrite the existing 1.7 database or fail to install because
>> > the
>> > database already exists?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I have an online meeting now until about 12.30 but will test xampp stuff
>> > after that.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
>> > Tenney
>> > Sent: 12 July 2012 10:53
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > OK. So how do we stop the error?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron
>> > Mitchell
>> > Sent: 12 July 2012 10:53
>> > To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > By default when you do a new install the guest access is enabled. You
>> > then
>> > need to edit config.php and comment/uncomment the authentication
>> > required.
>> > So no for a demo.txt etc and means it's easy to test that the install
>> > has
>> > completed correctly before enable chosen authentication.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>> > Lockley
>> > Sent: 12 July 2012 09:47
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I don't know how authentication works anymore, the old XAMPP route used
>> > to
>> > copy demo so people didn't have to do it, but with the new
>> > authentication I
>> > don't know if demo is spurious anymore?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Julian Tenney
>> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > What do I need to do?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>> > Lockley
>> > Sent: 12 July 2012 09:39
>> >
>> >
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> >
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Preparation for 1.8 Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm guessing that the old setup had demo.txt in, and demo.txt has been
>> > removed from /setup?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Julian Tenney
>> > <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > Doing an xampp install I get this error, what’s the problem?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <image001.png>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian
>> > Tenney
>> > Sent: 12 July 2012 09:35
>> > To: For Xerte technical developers
>> > Subject: [Xerte-dev] Preparation for 1.8 Release
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > A couple of us are going to deploy Toolkits 1.8 in anger next Friday:
>> > everyone seems to think that everything is ready, it would be good to
>> > have
>> > one final check that everything we think works still does.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ron, can you update the test server with the latest svn files so we can
>> > see
>> > it running on a server please?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Can anyone do an LDAP setup and test that?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Can everyone do a localhost / xampp setup and check all your bits and
>> > pieces
>> > still work please?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> >
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