[Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace

Wed Oct 30 11:53:12 GMT 2013

There's a consistency thing here:

Are the icons on or off, i.e. shown or not shown (like sharing - there is no 'not sharing icon'), or are they different states (i.e. the Flash /. Html one, which is always shown in one state or another). What do you think? Is there a need for consistency in how they operate, i.e. on / off or toggling between states? If you toggle between states you could end up with a lot of icons for various things. Is the flash / html icon needed - or should we show a warning if the piece is flash, i.e. [cid:image005.png at 01CED566.84DB0610]

The famfamfam bullets have some icons that look OK small and are in-keeping with the others we use elsewhere. Also there are some smaller icons on the page_white icons in there that are easily taken out of the larger icon.

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Could I suggest this as the icon for a Xerte Online Toolkits project, it's just a bit softer / more inkeeping with the other icons:

[cid:image008.png at 01CED566.9C269DC0]
(looks a bit crap here for some reason).

They are all attached.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 30 October 2013 11:09
To: xerte at pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers
Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace

> I can see shared icons straight away, but if I don't know what shared is, then knowing it isn't shared doesn't help?

The user won't see the icon to begin with, then shares the project, then sees the icon - so it's (at least sort of) obvious?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy
Sent: 30 October 2013 11:04
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace

Question on the thinking

I can see shared icons straight away, but if I don't know what shared is, then knowing it isn't shared doesn't help?
Public I can see, so on and so forth

Perhaps we could make a case for a drop down next to "sort" to show

Public
Shared
RSS

Which would remove all the non-public and so on

This might be a little more useful than symbols?

Though I do like the symbols, but I prefer them as buttons.

AND

*retreats to cave*

Perhaps this is a case for having the panel below the workspace become a properties panel light

So you could click on a project, and the panel appears for that project with options for

Renaming
Public
RSS
Open

and so on?

On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I'll see what I can do...

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace

Yes,

As Pat pointed out css3 allows multiple background images but for greater support you can always layer x divs and then fill them appropriately...

Current icons are 16x16 and putting symbols on them is nigh impossible... 12x12 or 10x10 will be unidentifiable with icons on i suspect...

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:

I will play around and see if I can figure out a look and feel. I like the idea a lot, but I would like to see it implmented really nicely graphically.

Are stacked icons posssible? Put a symbol in each corner (challenging, I know, with only 8x8px)?
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace

Hi Inge

There is a little people icon in the image for 'shared with another user'. Haven't figured out how to cleanly detect if LO is shared with you... But yes it is on the cards...

Regards

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health and Life Sciences

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Inge Donkervoort 12Change <i.donkervoort at 12change.eu<mailto:i.donkervoort at 12change.eu>> wrote:

Hi,

Katrien from Belgium has the suggestion that there could be also a symbol for share LO's?
She also likes the symbols on eacht row and not only on the selected item.

Bye,
Inge

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Op 29-10-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef:
I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory....

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk><mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk<mailto:ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>>> wrote:
and toggle off by default... ;-)

Seriously though -  I really like the functionality John and would find it very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-)

HTH
Ron

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace
OK, smaller icons and toggle...

Regards,

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health & Life Sciences
Glasgow Caledonian University

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace

No, in my opinion you should just show them.

Really, people are used to icons.

If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle

Tom

"Smith, John" <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk><mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk<mailto:J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk>>> schreef:
I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron's question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable...

It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons... perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again...

Regards,

John Smith
Learning Technologist
School of Health & Life Sciences
Glasgow Caledonian University

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace

The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme?

I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons?

I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff).

2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk)

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project).

Can we leave this until 2.2?

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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all,

So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses:

  Private/Public
  Flash vs Javascript
  RSS syndicated
  Shared with a collaborator
  (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of)

I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that...

What do you think?  I'm looking for ideas...

Regards,

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