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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There’s a consistency thing here:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Are the icons on or off, i.e. shown or not shown (like sharing – there is no ‘not sharing icon’), or are they different states (i.e. the Flash /. Html one, which is always shown in one state or another). What do you think? Is there a need for consistency in how they operate, i.e. on / off or toggling between states? If you toggle between states you could end up with a lot of icons for various things. Is the flash / html icon needed – or should we show a warning if the piece is flash, i.e. <img width=16 height=16 id="Picture_x0020_6" src="cid:image005.png@01CED566.84DB0610"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The famfamfam bullets have some icons that look OK small and are in-keeping with the others we use elsewhere. Also there are some smaller icons on the page_white icons in there that are easily taken out of the larger icon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'><img width=12 height=12 src="cid:image001.png@01CED566.9C269DC0" alt="*"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><img width=16 height=16 id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image002.png@01CED562.C09AE110"><img width=16 height=16 id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image003.png@01CED562.C09AE110"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Could I suggest this as the icon for a Xerte Online Toolkits project, it’s just a bit softer / more inkeeping with the other icons:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=21 height=21 id="Picture_x0020_7" src="cid:image008.png@01CED566.9C269DC0"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> (looks a bit crap here for some reason). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>They are all attached.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Julian Tenney<br><b>Sent:</b> 30 October 2013 11:09<br><b>To:</b> xerte@pgogywebstuff.com; For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>></span> I can see shared icons straight away, but if I don't know what shared is, then knowing it isn't shared doesn't help? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The user won’t see the icon to begin with, then shares the project, then sees the icon – so it’s (at least sort of) obvious?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Pat @ Pgogy<br><b>Sent:</b> 30 October 2013 11:04<br><b>To:</b> For Xerte technical developers<br><b>Subject:</b> [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Question on the thinking<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I can see shared icons straight away, but if I don't know what shared is, then knowing it isn't shared doesn't help? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Public I can see, so on and so forth<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Perhaps we could make a case for a drop down next to "sort" to show<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Public<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Shared<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>RSS<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Which would remove all the non-public and so on<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>This might be a little more useful than symbols?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Though I do like the symbols, but I prefer them as buttons.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>AND<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>*retreats to cave*<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Perhaps this is a case for having the panel below the workspace become a properties panel light<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So you could click on a project, and the panel appears for that project with options for<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Renaming<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Public<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>RSS<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Open<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>and so on?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I'll see what I can do...<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Smith, John<br>Sent: 29 October 2013 22:32<br>To: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace<br><br>Yes,<br><br>As Pat pointed out css3 allows multiple background images but for greater support you can always layer x divs and then fill them appropriately...<br><br>Current icons are 16x16 and putting symbols on them is nigh impossible... 12x12 or 10x10 will be unidentifiable with icons on i suspect...<br><br>Regards<br><br>John Smith<br>Learning Technologist<br>School of Health and Life Sciences<br><br>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII<br><br><br><br>Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>I will play around and see if I can figure out a look and feel. I like the idea a lot, but I would like to see it implmented really nicely graphically.<br><br>Are stacked icons posssible? Put a symbol in each corner (challenging, I know, with only 8x8px)?<br>________________________________________<br>From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a> [<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Smith, John [<a href="mailto:J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk">J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk</a>]<br>Sent: 29 October 2013 21:53<br>To: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace<br><br>Hi Inge<br><br>There is a little people icon in the image for 'shared with another user'. Haven't figured out how to cleanly detect if LO is shared with you... But yes it is on the cards...<br><br>Regards<br><br>John Smith<br>Learning Technologist<br>School of Health and Life Sciences<br><br>Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII<br><br><br><br>Inge Donkervoort 12Change <<a href="mailto:i.donkervoort@12change.eu">i.donkervoort@12change.eu</a>> wrote:<br><br><br>Hi,<br><br>Katrien from Belgium has the suggestion that there could be also a symbol for share LO's?<br>She also likes the symbols on eacht row and not only on the selected item.<br><br>Bye,<br>Inge<br><br>1 2 Change<br>Chopinlaan 27<br>5242 HM Rosmalen<br>T 073-5226195<br>F 073-5226196<br>E <a href="mailto:i.donkervoort@12change.eu">i.donkervoort@12change.eu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:i.donkervoort@12change.eu">i.donkervoort@12change.eu</a>><br>I <a href="http://www.12change.eu" target="_blank">www.12change.eu</a><<a href="http://www.12change.eu" target="_blank">http://www.12change.eu</a><<a href="http://www.12change.eu" target="_blank">http://www.12change.eu</a><<a href="http://www.12change.eu" target="_blank">http://www.12change.eu</a>>><br><br>T twitter<<a href="http://twitter.com/12ChangeLearn" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/12ChangeLearn</a>><br>L linkedIn<<a href="http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/inge-donkervoort/7/4b/18a" target="_blank">http://nl.linkedin.com/pub/inge-donkervoort/7/4b/18a</a>><br><br>Op 29-10-2013 14:51, Pat @ Pgogy schreef:<br>I agree, I felt like it was heading into user settings territory....<br><br><br>On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ron Mitchell <<a href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk">ronm@mitchellmedia.co.uk</a>>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>and toggle off by default... ;-)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Seriously though - I really like the functionality John and would find it very useful personally - especially if the icons can actually link to those sections of properties at some point. I don't think the icons themselves can just be a toggle e.g. public/private because there are obviously more options to set than just on/off. But in a way that's the point - if all they do is give a basic idea of the properties for a given LO without providing more value than that then you still have to select the LO then select properties and I know lots of users including those responsible for supporting staff and students in their organisations that would say it's unecessary clutter. That's certainly not a criticism of what you've added John but a bit like moodle you only see all the edit icons when you turn editing on so the toggle would be the equivalent. The alternative but a much longer term discussion/wishlist might be default and user profile settings. Perhaps that's 3.2! ;-)<br><br>HTH<br>Ron<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>>] On Behalf Of Smith, John<br>Sent: 29 October 2013 12:10<br><br>To: For Xerte technical developers<br>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>OK, smaller icons and toggle...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Regards,<br><br>John Smith<br>Learning Technologist<br>School of Health & Life Sciences<br>Glasgow Caledonian University<br><br>From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders<br>Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:54 AM<br>To: For Xerte technical developers<br>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace<br><br>No, in my opinion you should just show them.<br><br>Really, people are used to icons.<br><br>If we need to accommodate people who would hate those icons, then Ron's proposal is best: provide a global toggle<br><br>Tom<br><br>"Smith, John" <<a href="mailto:J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk">J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk">J.J.Smith@gcu.ac.uk</a>>> schreef:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I was thinking of toggle buttons and of Ron's question about really long LO names and thought of having the selected LO expand to 2 rows and having the icons underneath and toggleable...<br><br><br>It almost makes the initial driver pointless though since you need to select each LO to see the icons... perhaps a tick box or a show button that toggles or shows icons that then fade out again...<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br>Regards,<br><br><br>John Smith<br>Learning Technologist<br>School of Health & Life Sciences<br>Glasgow Caledonian University<br><br><br>From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>] On Behalf Of Pat @ Pgogy<br>Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:42 AM<br>To: For Xerte technical developers<br>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Possible icons in Workspace<br><br><br>The moodle off grey icons might make sense as they'll blend better with any theme?<br><br><br>I think the icons make sense, but should they be toggle buttons?<br><br><br>I could see a case that the interface could be tweaked a little - the properties panel isn't really properties anymore (it's more properties and do lots of important stuff).<br><br><br>2.2 makes sense, but I think the icons make the interface easier to use - would they confuse a new user - probably, but they might also demonstrate some of the features the system has which people have missed (or is that atypical techie talk)<br><br><br>On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Julian Tenney <<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk">Julian.Tenney@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>> wrote:<br>As well as 'is shared, be good to see 'is a share' (i.e. I'm sharing someone else's project).<br><br>Can we leave this until 2.2?<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev-bounces@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>>] On Behalf Of Smith, John<br>Sent: 28 October 2013 22:19<br>To: <a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk">xerte-dev@lists.nottingham.ac.uk</a>><br>Subject: [Xerte-dev] Possible icons in Workspace Hi all,<br><br>So from my conversation with Pat, I have taken a look at the feasibility of adding icons to Workspace to show-at-a-glance certain statuses:<br><br> Private/Public<br> Flash vs Javascript<br> RSS syndicated<br> Shared with a collaborator<br> (there may be others we can do that i'm not aware of)<br><br>I have rewritten the SQL query for Workspace to gather the required data and implemented the icons but as you can imagine Workspace soon gets cluttered (see image XOT_Icons_All). I have also been playing with the idea of only showing the images for the row that is selected (XOT_Icons_Selected) - but then I know you can select more than 1 row so not sure how to handle that...<br><br>What do you think? 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