[Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess

Tom Reijnders reijnders at tor.nl
Thu Apr 11 10:51:42 BST 2013


As an addition:

Now you can just use play.php&template_id=4 (or play_4). It will show :
1. if the template_frame=xerte  in the engine set by the user
2. if the template_frame is site using modules/site/play.php

Also, you can use play.php&template_id=4&engine=flash or 
play.php&template_id=4&engine=javascript to force a specific engine.

Some is true for preview.

You can also use engine=other (this is used by the wizard when Ctlr+Play 
is pressed)

I have to do the same for peer.php, but first would like some feedback ;-)

Tom


Op 11-4-2013 11:38, Tom Reijnders schreef:
> Almost finished.
>
> I didn't change anything yet to modularize the properties page
>
> - Changed play.php (root) and modules/xerte/play.php and preview
> - Made play_html5.php (root) redirect to new play
> - Make use of the same template files as export does for the play and 
> preview
> - Make wizard toggle the engine on Ctrl-click
> - Move site to its own module dir
> - Changed basic.sql
> - updates upgrade.php
>
> Not thoroughly tested yet, not committed yet
>
> Patch is not attached but available. (from svn 752)
>
> It's about 2.2Mb
>
>
>
> Op 10-4-2013 23:39, xerte at pgogywebstuff.com schreef:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Sorry for delay - travelling home from a conference.... again
>>
>> The properties page is at present not modular - as it is the same 
>> code for each module. At present only Xerte Online Toolkits modules 
>> will have more than one URL, hence it needs some "Module" work.
>>
>> I think I could see a case for giving XOT modules a new tab on 
>> properties which is HTML access - because in theory some of the 
>> projects are to become HTML5 projects. This tab could explain the 
>> process and give the preview and default setting options?
>>
>> This way the main properties tab with the links in could remain as is 
>> (for now) and as the XOT stuff is migrated then we could remove the tab
>>
>> OR
>>
>> You could modularise part of the properties page and give each module 
>> a URL_return function like what exists at present
>>
>> I sort of prefer the top version, but am not fussed
>>
>> https://github.com/patlockley/XOT-templatecanvas exists as well
>>
>> Peer.php doesn't exist for all projects, you can turn it on in the 
>> .info file should you want too
>>
>> REMEMBER
>>
>> if you add a new module you need to add the new language files as well
>>
>> Tom how do you want to divide the work on this? I don't feel it's 
>> fair for you to do it all given how much I've moaned about this :)
>>
>> Pgogy Webstuff http://www.pgogywebstuff.com
>> Makers of Web things of a fair to middling quality
>>
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     From:
>>     "For Xerte technical developers" <xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>
>>     To:
>>     "For Xerte technical developers" <xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>     Cc:
>>
>>     Sent:
>>     Wed, 10 Apr 2013 17:29:49 +0200
>>     Subject:
>>     [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>>
>>
>>     There are some subtle differences:
>>
>>     Yes, the user could delivery options in the property page, but
>>     you need  to realise that the proerty page is also modular, the
>>     form is generated from the modules/<framework> php code. So...
>>     only xerte LO's would get that option.
>>
>>     And then the URLs that would be provided will NOT be different,
>>     but the way the URL behaves, i.e. in the module play.php the DB
>>     is inquired to see which engine to use.
>>
>>     I think that I go ahead and show you how everything is pieces
>>     nicely together.
>>
>>     As an example, your 'site' stuff needs to have 'site' (or
>>     whetever you want to call it) in the originaltemplatesdetails
>>     table in the 'framework' column, and the play_site.php,
>>     preview_site.php and perhaps export_site.php should move to a
>>     folder modules/site and be called play.php, preview.php and
>>     perhaps export.php.
>>
>>     Then you can use the regular 'root' play.php and 'root'
>>     preview.php... and even peer.php
>>
>>     Right Pat?
>>
>>     I am working on it, and provide you with a patch so you can test.
>>     Once you understand what is reuired, it is rather straightforward.
>>
>>     If we're committing this, I'll will also write an article of how
>>     this works.
>>
>>     Tom
>>
>>
>>     Op 10-4-2013 17:05, Julian Tenney schreef:
>>
>>         I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle
>>
>>         Mangle away... this obviously has links to the properties
>>         panel and URLs for each piece as we discussed earlier in the
>>         week. To summarise the discussions, here's where I thought
>>         we'd got to:
>>
>>         The user would select the delivery option from the properties
>>         panel;
>>
>>         Different URLs would provide access to the content -- so the
>>         flash / html URLs would actually be available
>>
>>         Principle: authors test and check rather than auto-conversion
>>
>>         The setting in the properties panel would drive the URLs in
>>         the various feeds etc
>>
>>         Principle: existing links continue to work
>>
>>         Workaround: we can leave the play_html5.php page in place as
>>         it's not only Ron who is already putting content 'live' this way
>>
>>         We need to accommodate the site template as well (which I'm
>>         going to have to rename for political reasons here, otherwise
>>         M&C will kill it. Learning Module?)
>>
>>         Is there anything else? If we have a good list, we'll only
>>         have to do the work once...
>>
>>         Thanks Tom and Pat for picking this up,
>>
>>         Julian
>>
>>         *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>         [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.acuk] *On Behalf
>>         Of *Pat @ Pgogy
>>         *Sent:* 10 April 2013 12:13
>>         *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>>         *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>>
>>         I didn't make the changes last time (as sorry to sound like a
>>         stuck record) as I didn't think we'd agreed on it / added it
>>         to the road map. So I didn't want to waste a day of Fay's
>>         time in changing stuff.
>>
>>         I felt xenith was important and so I didn't want to screw it
>>         up with the wrong sort of changes.
>>
>>         You could place a header redirect in playhtml5.php to
>>         redirect the URL to another link, thus old links could be
>>         maintained - albeit as a work round.
>>
>>         I'd prefer to say, finish your stuff, then I'll mangle
>>
>>         Pgogy Webstuff - http://www.pgogywebstuff.com
>>
>>         Makers of web things of a fair to middling quality
>>
>>
>>         On 10 Apr 2013, at 11:24, Julian Tenney
>>         <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>>         <mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>             Is there any way we can do both things, i.e. leave the
>>             existing stuff in place so things don't break, but build
>>             a new modular play engine that handles the modular stuff
>>             much better? When I put the site template in it was
>>             obvious that it was a bit of a pain, as you say having to
>>             add new files to the root folder is bad news, and having
>>             to modify other files in the root folder is also not so
>>             plug and play: there is specific (if (thisSortOfTemplate)
>>             do this else do that) code in there, which shouldn't be
>>             there really.
>>
>>             We wanted to put a new zip out on 26^th April, a
>>             tentative deadline. I don't mind waiting a few more
>>             weeks, but we really need to get this out there so that
>>             it can be installed in places before the summer -- so
>>             those who want to build materials for next year can use
>>             it over the summer. The end of May would be about as far
>>             as I'd want to wait I think.
>>
>>             What do others think?
>>
>>             *From:*xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>             <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>             [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On
>>             Behalf Of *xerte at pgogywebstuff.com
>>             <mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>
>>             *Sent:* 10 April 2013 11:19
>>             *To:* For Xerte technical developers
>>             *Subject:* [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>>
>>             True, and happy to shut up
>>
>>             But I first raised this in November -
>>             http://listsnottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html
>>             <http://lists.nottingham.ac.uk/pipermail/xerte-dev/2012-November/002868.html> -
>>             but it didn't go anywhere
>>
>>                 ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>                 *From:*
>>
>>                 "For Xerte technical developers"
>>                 <xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>                 <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>
>>                 *To:*
>>
>>                 "For Xerte technical developers"
>>                 <xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>                 <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>>
>>
>>                 *Cc:*
>>
>>                 *Sent:*
>>
>>                 Wed, 10 Apr 2013 09:41:32 +0100
>>
>>                 *Subject:*
>>
>>                 [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>>
>>
>>                 Always we seem to hit something fundamental right
>>                 before we're due to finish the work. There is a
>>                 degree of frustration here with two things:
>>
>>                 - we have already worked through this twice: Fay has
>>                 worked through it once with Pat to get the html5
>>                 links working, and I have worked through it with Pat
>>                 to get the site template working. Now we want to do
>>                 it differently?
>>                 - if you take pre-release code and it changes, well,
>>                 that's sometimes life. Play_html5 was always intended
>>                 as a way of beta testing the templates, rather than
>>                 anything else.
>>
>>                 At this stage of things, I think we should go with
>>                 what we have, and Tom's database solution solution,
>>                 and get this phase of work done, and then address it
>>                 later when we have a new cycle underway. I appreciate
>>                 the issues, but there is no point in getting hung
>>                 about functionality that no one is using yet
>>                 (modularity), at the expense of functionality that
>>                 everyone wants to use (html5 delivery).
>>
>>                 -----Original Message-----
>>                 From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>                 <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>                 [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On
>>                 Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
>>                 Sent: 09 April 2013 18:15
>>                 To: 'For Xerte technical developers'
>>                 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>>
>>                 For me the basic principal must be whatever we want
>>                 to be defaults for any new solution mustn't break
>>                 existing links or require people to duplicate or
>>                 re-write any code to maintain that compatibility. The
>>                 vast majority will not have the time, skills or
>>                 inclination to do that. So...
>>
>>                 /play.php?template_id=123 and /play_123 including the
>>                 embed code links should continue to play existing
>>                 LO's via Flash likewise
>>                 /play_html5.php?template_id=123 and /play_html5_123
>>                 should continue to work even if that's no longer the
>>                 default for new html 5, 6 or 7 LO's.
>>
>>                 I can see the point about not referring to html5 and
>>                 keeping it more future proofed and again I can't see
>>                 a problem with changes like this or the new defaults
>>                 being Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML as long as
>>                 existing links aren't broken. But what would be the
>>                 Apache/htaccess version of that?
>>
>>                 Over time JISC Techdis and other organisations and
>>                 individuals have shared many links to LO's they have
>>                 made public with the community, with their learners,
>>                 with colleagues and this includes sharing of the
>>                 play_html5 links. Rightly or wrongly that's what
>>                 we've had since the 1.8 release so obviously we
>>                 shouldn't break those links if we can possibly avoid it.
>>
>>                 HTH
>>                 Ron
>>
>>                 -----Original Message-----
>>                 From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>                 <mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>                 [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On
>>                 Behalf Of Smith, John
>>                 Sent: 09 April 2013 17:25
>>                 To: xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>                 <mailto:xerte-dev at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>>                 Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Modules and htaccess
>>
>>                 Howdy
>>
>>                 I personally think you need to run everything through
>>                 the same page, with parameters Its the only way you
>>                 can prevent worsening the situation 12 months down
>>                 the line where we have many deployed play urls which
>>                 have to be maintained.. Plan to deprecate play_html5
>>                 and then people can rewrite that page to your main
>>                 play.php page with method=html or even duplicate the
>>                 main play.php file as play_html5 if they must.
>>
>>                 Begs the question - should we drop references to
>>                 html5 and just call it html - what happens if they
>>                 release html6 in a few years?
>>
>>                 Regards
>>
>>                 John Smith
>>                 Learning Technologist
>>                 School of Health and Life Sciences
>>
>>                 Sent from Samsung Galaxy SII
>>
>>
>>
>>                 "Pat @ Pgogy" <xerte at pgogywebstuff.com
>>                 <mailto:xerte at pgogywebstuff.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>                 Could we use the following URL structure?
>>
>>                 Can the play URL be
>>
>>                 Play.php?template_id=560
>>                 And
>>                 Play.php?template_id=560&method=HTML
>>
>>                 And not playhtml.php?
>>
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