[Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor

Fri Mar 13 15:56:45 GMT 2015

I don't think we need to distribute. Would be good if we could but nothing
to stop us using it as part of materials development and document how others
could too.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 13 March 2015 15:31
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor

I think it's OK: as long as you don't sell it.

This is where licensing can be tricky though: would we want to include a
library that meant users downstream couldn't sell services built on xerte,
even though distributing it for free is OK? I don' think that is compatible
with Apache 2.0 and the no  nonsense 'do anything you like' approach we
have.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 13 March 2015 15:28
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor

Gsap looks cool: is the licensing OK for inclusion in Xerte? It says
something about 'if you sell to multiple end users'. 

http://greensock.com/licensing/

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 13 March 2015 09:53
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor

Why? 

As you know I already shared my opinion that the bullets page shouldn't be
deprecated because at the the moment it's the only page type than offers an
easy build effect. In a way it's better than the plain text page because at
least it provides that option. But ideally we need simple animation
anywhere.

Obviously deprecated page types will and should still work and be editable
for existing projects just not show as a page type option in new projects.
e.g. the latest develop version doesn't show the ability to add a Google Map
page to a new project (unless switching to the flash editor) but does show
the ability to edit that page type in existing projects. BTW the warning
icon that shows is great!

So short term ensuring that the bullet page still works should probably be
an interim objective for this next release and then longer term perhaps have
'controllable building' on any page. Obviously ideally the new editor
shouldn't break existing bullet pages but at the moment it does unless only
making changes in source view. 

Obviously even longer term we wouldn't really want to have to change each
and every model so I'm wondering if there's just some js we can use and call
from anywhere. e.g. I know this isn't something we can distribute but
splittext looks very effective http://greensock.com/SplitText 

Perhaps there's an existing jquery solution? There's a few fade and animate
options.

In fact their gsap tool might be the answer to your other animation
question? http://greensock.com/gsap They've got some great products we could
potentially all use for projects but probably not distribute.
http://greensock.com/products/ 

Ron

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 13 March 2015 08:37
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor

If we deprecate it, it will still be an issue for existing projects.

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Sent: 12 March 2015 17:16

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor

Hi John

overlapping messages again so my last reply will arrive before this one.

Yes it's definitely the editor changing the line breaks. Thinking out loud
perhaps on the bullets page we can change the model to build on <p> tags or
perhaps define a custom tag e.g. <build></build> and change the model so
that it builds based on that tag?

We had some recent discussion about whether the bullets page should be
deprecated and if a custom tag is the best idea perhaps we could depregate
it but enable building of lines of text on any page.

Here's a copy of the test I was doing in prep for a webinar next week. It's
almost animation! ;-)

 <http://training.mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play.php?template_id=35>
http://training.mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play.php?template_id=35 

Ron

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Sent: 12 March 2015 16:17

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor

Hi Ron,

The new editor should simply be building the data xml file and structuring
it in the same way as the flash one did. If that is the case then it is the
page model rendering the page that is at fault...

What I suspect is most likely is that extra line breaks are being converted
to <p> tags or similar html stuff is being inserted by the new WYSIWIG areas
and the model itself can't cope. It's also similar to the way when you paste
html for a table into the old flash editor like

<table>

<tr><td>...

<tr><td>... etc

You get all the extra carriage returns as whitespace at the end... you need
to put it in as

<table><tr><td>...</td><td>...</td><td>...</td><td>...</td> etc...

These problems with the models are probably going to be more common in the
interim since the models are having to parse a lot more data (html tags,
formatting etc) that they haven't been seeing in the past as the flash
editor didn't insert them...

If you find any good ones though then it would be great if you could log
them as issues.

Regards,

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Sent: 12 March 2015 16:03

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Subject: [Xerte] quick question re bullets page with new editor

Hi all

a quick question re the bullets page with new editor - should that still
work in terms of the build-effect e.g. show line 1 then line 3 then line 5
and so on and if so what's the trick?

I can see the timing adjustment having an effect but all the text is showing
instantly and then it's building blank lines so it's almost back to front
but perhaps I'm doing something wrong?

Cheers

Ron

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