[Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor

Fri Mar 13 11:02:24 GMT 2015

Thanks Tom for the fixes - especially the copy page issue - great that's
working properly now - so much quicker to configure a page and copy it than
to have to re-configure each time.

The bullet fix sort of works but there's still a bit of an issue...

If someone adds and populates a new bullet page - no problem.

If someone plays an existing project containing a bullets page - again no
problem.

View an existing bullets page in the new editor without making a change and
click play again no problem.

But the minute you make a change with the new editor either 'plain view' or
'tools view' the text becomes a single line and no longer works until you
manually re-add returns in the editor.

I can live with having to reformat existing pages and I don't really have a
good idea about how popular this pagetype has been todate. However I know it
is used and popular for some and I suspect it will be more popular now that
there is easy text formatting. So are we all ok with this partly breaking
existing pages if edited? I think the benefits outweigh the downside of
having to re-format but do we all agree?

Ron 

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor

Should be easy to get most of them like that now since we now know what
extra stuff the editor will be injecting...

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[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
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Sent: 13 March 2015 10:23
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor

That's what I did for now. Just make them work.

Smith, John schreef op 13-3-2015 om 10:57:
> Depends what you deprecate... if you just don't allow adding then yes any
editing of that page type will allow the extra tags to be put in but if you
disallow adding and editing then what comes in from the legacy page should
just be written back out...
>
> But I think it would be better to just make them work... there are a few
models where the introduction of html screws the parsing of the data up,
similarly with carriage returns so they are going to need worked on anyway
and solutions to those may indeed fix the others... for example we replace
all carriage returns with <br /> but within a section of html or script we
shouldn't otherwise it screws up the formatting of the page or processing of
the script...
>
> Regards,
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | 
> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
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> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney 
> [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk]
> Sent: 13 March 2015 08:37
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> Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor
>
> If we deprecate it, it will still be an issue for existing projects.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk 
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 
> Mitchell
> Sent: 12 March 2015 17:16
> To: 'Xerte discussion list'
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor
>
> Hi John
> overlapping messages again so my last reply will arrive before this one.
>
> Yes it's definitely the editor changing the line breaks. Thinking out loud
perhaps on the bullets page we can change the model to build on <p> tags or
perhaps define a custom tag e.g. <build></build> and change the model so
that it builds based on that tag?
>
> We had some recent discussion about whether the bullets page should be
deprecated and if a custom tag is the best idea perhaps we could depregate
it but enable building of lines of text on any page.
>
> Here's a copy of the test I was doing in prep for a webinar next week. 
> It's almost animation! ;-)
> http://training.mitchellmedia.co.uk/xot/play.php?template_id=35
>
> Ron
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Smith, John
> Sent: 12 March 2015 16:17
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> Subject: [Xerte] Re: quick question re bullets page with new editor
>
> Hi Ron,
>
> The new editor should simply be building the data xml file and structuring
it in the same way as the flash one did. If that is the case then it is the
page model rendering the page that is at fault...
>
> What I suspect is most likely is that extra line breaks are being 
> converted to <p> tags or similar html stuff is being inserted by the 
> new WYSIWIG areas and the model itself can't cope. It's also similar 
> to the way when you paste html for a table into the old flash editor 
> like
>
> <table>
> <tr><td>...
> <tr><td>... etc
>
> You get all the extra carriage returns as whitespace at the end... you 
> need to put it in as
>
> <table><tr><td>...</td><td>...</td><td>...</td><td>...</td> etc...
>
> These problems with the models are probably going to be more common in the
interim since the models are having to parse a lot more data (html tags,
formatting etc) that they haven't been seeing in the past as the flash
editor didn't insert them...
>
> If you find any good ones though then it would be great if you could log
them as issues.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Smith | Learning Technologist
> Room A250, Govan Mbeki Building | School of Health & Life Sciences | 
> Glasgow Caledonian University Cowcaddens Road | Glasgow | G4 0BA
>
> Please address ALL support requests to hlsblt at gcu.ac.uk where one of the
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> ________________________________________
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell 
> [ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk]
> Sent: 12 March 2015 16:03
> To: 'Xerte discussion list'
> Subject: [Xerte] quick question re bullets page with new editor
>
> Hi all
> a quick question re the bullets page with new editor - should that still
work in terms of the build-effect e.g. show line 1 then line 3 then line 5
and so on and if so what's the trick?
>
> I can see the timing adjustment having an effect but all the text is
showing instantly and then it's building blank lines so it's almost back to
front but perhaps I'm doing something wrong?
>
> Cheers
> Ron
>
>
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