[Xerte] Re: xerte XOT HTML5 - graphical menu, connector pages

[Kemp Johnathan]

I would really like to see the Scenario page available as a html model.

I don't have the familiarity with the html5 side of things and the
javascript libraries you are using now. But I would be very willing to help
someone who does, to develop a html 5 model for the scenario page.

Kind regards

Johnathan




On 8 November 2013 12:28, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:

>  I completely understand, things have changed a lot recently and I’ve
> just learned enough about Github to be able to do what I want to do. I’m
> using a GUI to manage the changes to the repository, commits, gitflow etc
> which actually makes it really simple to do and track your changes and
> would be more than happy to show you that way when you feel you have more
> space to become involved again – you have so much knowledge of the internal
> workings of a lot of the system and its development that it would be a
> shame for you to be locked out due to limited documentation we have of how
> to do certain things – I’m sure there are others out there who would become
> involved too (even if just to correct spelling, do some  more
> internationalization, documentation etc) if only they had a step by step
> guide…
>
>
>
> As for the pageIDs, I can get them added in again or ask Tom (I wasn’t
> even aware of their omission from the XOT connectors) if it is agreed to be
> a ‘good’ idea – I know having several ways could confuse but it does/could
> add to the flexibility.
>
>
>
> I’d also love for you to be involved in the migration of the last page
> model, the scenario one, as it has an amazing amount of potential but
> no-one (including me) really understands it… and it has been asked for by
> several people…
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> John Smith
>
> Learning Technologist
>
> School of Health & Life Sciences
>
> Glasgow Caledonian University
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* Friday, November 08, 2013 12:04 PM
>
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: xerte XOT HTML5 - graphical menu, connector pages
>
>
>
> I can't help wondering if the different ways of connecting to a page could
> not get rather confusing.
>
> There is nothing to prevent the adding back in to the XOT connector xwds
> the pageID attributes.
>
> Unfortunately I am no longer in a position to do this as I have been
> sitting on the sidelines whilst the XOT developments continue apace. My
> thinking was that I would look at XOT once things had settled down. But at
> present other aspects of life are limiting any time I could put into XOT.
> With the changes from svn to github I no longer have access to the source
> files or an understanding of how to go about editing them.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 8 November 2013 11:53, Smith, John <J.J.Smith at gcu.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
>
>
> Yes, thank you for that, this is an important thing to remember that we
> couldn’t easily end a section on a Connector page since we wouldn’t have a
> pageID… but I don’t think that would be a good idea in this situation
> anyway…
>
>
>
> Perhaps though we should add the pageID into those connector pages also,
> as I can see a situation where you have sections with a MCQ connector for
> example (I know you can now do this using links in any text page, but for
> completeness) and you want to deeplink straight to the section. I know you
> would still have the option of linkID and page number but number can change
> and linkID is harder to get at…
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> John Smith
>
> Learning Technologist
>
> School of Health & Life Sciences
>
> Glasgow Caledonian University
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* Friday, November 08, 2013 11:40 AM
>
>
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: xerte XOT HTML5 - graphical menu, connector pages
>
>
>
> The pageID optional attribute was originally included in xwd files to
> enable the project author to give a page an identifier that could then be
> used in a connector page to reference that page.
>
> pageID became redundant in XOT when Julian enabled the pagelink attribute,
> which collected the page information from the projects xml file, so as to
> provide the author with a list of pages to select from.
>
> In a Xerte project each page has its own separate xml file and so the
> pagelist feature could not function in Xerte. Two versions of the xwd file
> were therefore created one for use in Xerte and one for use in XOT.
>
> As an example the multiple choice connector page had a single model file
> used by Xerte and XOT but xerte used the xwd file cMcq.xwd whilst XOT used
> the file cMcq_XOT.xwd. In Xerte the form prompts the user with "Go to Page
> ID" and the user inputs a page id into a text field. In the XOT version the
> form prompts the user with "Destination Page" and the user is able to
> select a page from the list of pages.
>
> Which xwd file to use when building the master xwd file for XOT is
> identified by a parameter called "restrict" in the first line of the xwd
> file. restrict="template" results in the xwd file being used for XOT and
> restrict="develop" indicates the file is for Xerte.
>
> The key thing here with respect to your considerations is that unless this
> has changed since I last worked with the xwds the XOT versions of the
> connector pages no longer have an optional "pageID" attribute. The none
> connector pages retained their pageID attribute just to retain
> compatibility with Xerte rather than to create two xwd files for every page.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnathan
>
>
>
> On 8 November 2013 01:36, KnowledgeWare <knowledgeware at kccsoft.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Julian and John for this info…and yes if I could detect the end of
> a section using pageId’s and trigger a dbase write event I think that would
> be workable to do what I needed. Thanks for these suggestions, I will put
> some more thought into how it might work from my end.
>
>
>
> RonM2
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Smith, John
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:16 AM
>
>
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: xerte XOT HTML5 - graphical menu, connector pages
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> As Julian says, all the presentation can be done in the attached html
> file. And to address the other items:
>
>
>
> As Jonathan states Unique IDs are generated for each page as they are
> generated but these linkIDs remain with the page for its lifetime and can
> only be changed by editing the xml (from what I’ve seen)… They all look
> like PGxxxxxxx where xxxxxx is numeric
>
>
>
> Then you have the pageID (this is an optional property that can be added
> to every page). This can be set to any key you wish (should probably avoid
> spaces etc that get mangled in urls… so you can set it as Pg5Sec1
>
>
>
> Then you also have deeplinking already available… any URL
> play.php?template_id=1 can be changed to use either page/pageID/linkID to
> deeplink to that page – thus play.php?template_id=14&pageID=Pg5Sec1 will go
> directly to that page…
>
>
>
> You can also use internal PageLinks to jump to specific pages, so not
> requiring the whole LO to refresh…
>
>
>
> The only bit that I see that might be ‘difficult’ is the database
> connection. At present there is no way to do something when a page is left,
> so when a section ends you cannot trigger some code to do something else…
> the actual communication to the db is probably trivial via a custom php
> page but it needs triggering to know when to write data back…
>
>
>
> I plan to rewrite the HTML5 engine into more of an OO model and Tom has
> requested some events to support SCORM and possibly TinCan later but I can
> see that you might also need some custom events to be fired at the end of a
> sections…
>
>
>
> So for example you have a section called Section1 and page_end events are
> fired when each page is left. You could listen for a page_end event and
> pass the IDs/page number into the event handler and from there make a
> decision as to whether it was a section, subsection etc…
>
>
>
> I’m happy to work those events also into the rewrite (although it won’t be
> until Christmas period) and that should pretty much allow you to do what
> you want….
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> John Smith
>
> Learning Technologist
>
> School of Health & Life Sciences
>
> Glasgow Caledonian University
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 07, 2013 10:36 AM
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: xerte XOT HTML5 - graphical menu, connector pages
>
>
>
> Well, when you load up the html page, you have all the HTML / javascript /
> css you need to do that. You have a problem that is going to need some
> programming to resolve, one way or another,
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *KnowledgeWare
> *Sent:* 07 November 2013 02:33
> *To:* 'Xerte discussion list'
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: xerte XOT HTML5 - graphical menu, connector pages
>
>
>
> If possible I’d like to get to a parts/modules menu as below (in blue).
> This is xerte desktop with a flash menu inserted (thanks Julian/Dave). John
> by dbase reading I mean the ability to read/write/update a proprietary (non
> scorm, my own) database. For example, the parts and modules in the blue
> menu below are loaded from the database. At the end of a module I want to
> update the database, when all modules in a part done update the part in the
> database, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> The menu below (black) is in Authorware, it’s just a ‘parts’ module and
> the sections are linear. It’s workable and probably much easier to do in
> XOT than parts/modules. For this I need to ‘insert’ the menu, read the
> ‘parts’ from the database when the LO starts, turn on checkmarks if the
> student has completed the part, then jump to the first page for each part
> when clicked, page through linear, and at the last page in the part update
> the database and return to this menu.
>
>
>
>
>
> In the blue menu I coded the xerte icons with a specific ID which then
> gets parsed to build the menu/parts. For example the page ID for part 1 is
> ‘p1id’, and for the modules inside it is ‘p1m1id’, ‘p1m2id’ etc. It would
> be very useful if XOT had a way to uniquely code each icon but I don’t
> think it does, or as Jonathan stated it does but it may change at runtime:
>
>
>
> *“If I remember correctly XOT assigns a unique identifier to each page
> automatically.*
>
> *You can use this by using the pagelink feature available in all text
> boxes. However I think the assigned identifier changes each time you run
> the project. What is constant is the page name this maps to which is what
> is displayed in the pagelink control.”*
>
> If a client builds a course they’d need some simple method of identifying
> a page that wouldn’t change, that would always remain the same in order
> that the menu works. The page name wouldn’t be good and it may be changed.
>
>
>
> There’s another reason I’d like a unique page identifier – I’m wondering
> if I could send a student an email with a link with his login/password and
> a set of pages somewhere in the piece to navigate to. For instance, on
> login it would go to the part 3 summary pages, page through them, do the
> part 3 quiz, then go to an exit screen.
>
>
>
> That’s really what I’d like to try to accomplish, some type of a menu like
> above that my clients are used to, and if possible a way to jump into a
> piece and navigate through a specific set of pages.
>
>
> Are these things doable in HTML5 XOT? As many of you know I’m not in the
> same league with many of you as a programmer so please bear that in mind if
> replying, things like JSON etc. are beyond me at this point. If there is a
> way to do this however I will work toward it.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> RonM2
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Julian Tenney
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 06, 2013 1:49 AM
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: xerte XOT HTML5 - graphical menu, connector pages
>
>
>
> You do it using media -> flash movie, and set an init object, then load an
> .html file instead of a swf (the init object is what trips the code to
> display this rather than the swf, so you need to sety one, even if just a
> dummy – it also allows you to pass json into the html page for you to use
> in the content):
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Then you get your custom content loaded up:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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