[Xerte] Re: Xerte Project Questions

Fri Jan 18 15:21:12 GMT 2013

Regrettably, your assumption is wrong.

It requires a substantial development effort to be able to track all 
kinds of data in SCORM.

I agree, that once you have the tracking in place it is (should be 
portable) and even that in practice is cumbersome.

Regards,

Tom

Op 18-1-2013 14:30, avitor training schreef:
> Whilst no claiming to be well informed over the diversity of SCORM/LMS
> implementations, I would presume that a dialogue screen when creating an
> object for SCORM export from Xerte would, idiosyncrasies of the target LMS
> aside, be able to cover that by allowing users to select what is tracked.
>
> Portability of learning objects is after all what SCORM is supposed to be
> about.
>
> We are trying to design for ultimate AICC ( aicc.org ) compliance, and are
> using SCORM as one of the cornerstones of this process.
>
>> So you see our problem: you want to track that stuff, but someone else
>> will want to track a different cocktail of things, so how do we provide
>> for both in a generic sense?
>>
>> It would be fairly trivial to customise your install to do what you want
>> though.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of avitor training
>> Sent: 18 January 2013 12:33
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Project Questions
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback.
>>
>> "what is it you need to achieve that you can't currently do?"
>>
>> For a clean sheet implementation, I need to produce an e-learning system
>> within a few weeks where for quality assurance purposes, student
>> activities such as page or media viewing, as well as test results, are
>> recorded for audit purposes.
>>
>> The LMS will probably be Moodle and Xerte is one of several available
>> authoring tools which can potentially assist experienced trainers
>> transitioning from a seminar and powerpoint/handout based learning method.
>>
>> I'd rather not reinvent the wheel, but if I have to write interim or
>> permanent bespoke code for this I will, naturally it would be preferable
>> to integrate and support an authoring tool which is headed in the right
>> direction within a defined timeframe. That probably means that if this
>> functionality isn't starting to appear in Xerte within about six months,
>> it won't be a beneficial tool for this application.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>>>> Are there plans for implimenting SCORM support in Xerte beyond
>>>> version 1.2, and if so is there a timetable?
>>> Let me turn the question around: what is it you need to achieve that
>>> you can't currently do?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of avitor
>>> training
>>> Sent: 16 January 2013 18:39
>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Project Questions
>>>
>>> Thanks to Tom and Pat for that, I'll make another installation
>>> following those guidelines.
>>>
>>> Regarding SCORM, I did not mean to be unhelpful; incorporating by
>>> reference means the target, in  this case Moodle can be consulted for
>>> the latest support. The current version of SCORM is 2004 and this is
>>> supported in Moodle via a plugin. Version 1.2 is supported natively as
>>> I understand is the case with Xerte. Of course, the successor to the
>>> SCORM 2004 spec.
>>> is already at version 0.95 so a 1.0 release may appear soon.
>>>
>>> Are there plans for implimenting SCORM support in Xerte beyond version
>>> 1.2, and if so is there a timetable?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>> Regarding the security:
>>>>
>>>> Even though the manual sys you have to do this, this is not necessary.
>>>> You only need to open up the write permissions for the ' web browser
>>>> user'. i.e. the owner of the web browser process needs to be able to
>>>> write in those folders.
>>>>
>>>> For Linux and apache this means that the files should be owned by the
>>>> user that runs the apache process. Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding SCORM: 'Keeping up with Moodle'  regrettably is not very
>>>> help full for me, as Moodle and Xerte are two completely different
>>>> packages.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> Op 16-1-2013 13:11, avitor training schreef:
>>>>> Thanks for the quick reply. Re SCORM, in general, keeping up with
>>>>> Moodle at least, though of course SCORM/AICC is evolving (TIN CAN
>>>>> /CMI-5).
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest problem currently is the publicly writable directories
>>>>> (chmod 0777, toolkits installation guide p19,) which is a security
>>>>> issue and quite correctly forbidden by some hosting services (we are
>>>>> talking about a potential internet not an intranet application here).
>>>>>
>>>>> Can the location of these be changed (perhaps within a config file,)
>>>>> to a server location that has no URL, so for example from:
>>>>>
>>>>> opt/domainname/web/html[site root]/xerte/USER-FILES
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>> opt/domainname/web/private/USER-FILES
>>>>>
>>>>> to enable test and integration of the online toolkit without the
>>>>> security issues?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, as this online toolkit installation hasn't been completed for
>>>>> the above reasons, does it render the same as the techdis version
>>>>> does on some high aspect ratio laptop screens, i.e. with the 'play'
>>>>> icon and other page foot features of the new project dialogue out of
>>>>> view in a window with no scroll bar?
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks for any suggestions in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, still very actively being developed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Out new website has some broken links, but don't let that worry you
>>>>>> (I thought I'd found and fixed them all?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom has some plans for more SCORM support: what are your
>>>>>> requirements here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of avitor
>>>>>> training
>>>>>> Sent: 15 January 2013 10:50
>>>>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Xerte Project Questions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a few questions about the project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this project still being actively developed and in particular,
>>>>>> is there any intention to release further versions with support for
>>>>>> later SCORM or AICC standards? If so, is there a roadmap or
>>>>>> timetable for this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a bug list -I've has difficulties setting up the Xerte
>>>>>> Online Toolkits on a hosting server for test because of security
>>>>>> issues over publicly writable directories (could these not be
>>>>>> relocated to a folder path without a url?) and for example the
>>>>>> hosted techdis version does not display properly in my browser?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are several broken links on the project site
>>>>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte/ and I'm wondering if the targets
>>>>>> have been relocated or withdrawn?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did e-mail the developers at Nottingham over all these issues but
>>>>>> received no reply so far.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Julian
>>>>>>
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