[Xerte] Re: Xerte Project Questions

Fri Jan 18 15:17:52 GMT 2013

I know, I used to be fairly heavily involved in doing compliance related training stuff for a bank.

I realised it wasn't for me when they said 'can you make the quiz easier?' and I asked why - they said 'because people fail it, and then we have to do something'.

Anyway, now we all know how seriously the banks take regulatory stuff.

-----Original Message-----
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of avitor training
Sent: 18 January 2013 14:45
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Project Questions

The tracking issue is about enabling a robust audit of the learning process as many of the courses in question are mandated by regulatory authorities and need to be verified for compliance by quality managers. I don't doubt that the trainers will have no interest in this level of tracking until they get the phone call from a customer quality department.

I will take the advice to experiment with XOT 1.9. Many thanks.

> I would take XOT 1.9
>
> Set it to HTML5 by default
>
> Look in the models for the JS and add event trackers to each one
>
> then tie those event trackers to the SCORM tracking you want to do
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Julian Tenney <
> Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> I'm not saying it's the case in this case, but in the past I was
>> asked for tracking systems a lot, so I built them. Then I found that
>> no one ever bothered with the reports, so I stopped building them,
>> and no one seemed to notice - your experience may vary.
>>
>> Yes, that would work, having users select what to track: quite a bit
>> of work though. I don't know if it stacks up against the relatively
>> small number of people who want fine-grained tracking who can
>> relatively easily add the tracking to their own requirements easily
>> enough by customising the code - appreciate the issues with updates
>> etc though. It might well be a lot easier with the html5 delivery
>> stuff.
>>
>> This is a classic open source 'scratch your own itch' problem I think.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
>> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of avitor training
>> Sent: 18 January 2013 13:30
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Project Questions
>>
>> Whilst no claiming to be well informed over the diversity of
>> SCORM/LMS implementations, I would presume that a dialogue screen
>> when creating an object for SCORM export from Xerte would,
>> idiosyncrasies of the target LMS aside, be able to cover that by
>> allowing users to select what is tracked.
>>
>> Portability of learning objects is after all what SCORM is supposed
>> to be about.
>>
>> We are trying to design for ultimate AICC ( aicc.org ) compliance,
>> and are using SCORM as one of the cornerstones of this process.
>>
>> > So you see our problem: you want to track that stuff, but someone
>> > else will want to track a different cocktail of things, so how do
>> > we provide for both in a generic sense?
>> >
>> > It would be fairly trivial to customise your install to do what you
>> > want though.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of avitor
>> > training
>> > Sent: 18 January 2013 12:33
>> > To: Xerte discussion list
>> > Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Project Questions
>> >
>> > Thanks for the feedback.
>> >
>> > "what is it you need to achieve that you can't currently do?"
>> >
>> > For a clean sheet implementation, I need to produce an e-learning
>> > system within a few weeks where for quality assurance purposes,
>> > student activities such as page or media viewing, as well as test
>> > results, are recorded for audit purposes.
>> >
>> > The LMS will probably be Moodle and Xerte is one of several
>> > available authoring tools which can potentially assist experienced
>> > trainers transitioning from a seminar and powerpoint/handout based
>> > learning
>> method.
>> >
>> > I'd rather not reinvent the wheel, but if I have to write interim
>> > or permanent bespoke code for this I will, naturally it would be
>> > preferable to integrate and support an authoring tool which is
>> > headed in the right direction within a defined timeframe. That
>> > probably means that if this functionality isn't starting to appear
>> > in Xerte within about six months, it won't be a beneficial tool for this application.
>> >
>> > Julian
>> >
>> >>> Are there plans for implimenting SCORM support in Xerte beyond
>> >>> version 1.2, and if so is there a timetable?
>> >>
>> >> Let me turn the question around: what is it you need to achieve
>> >> that you can't currently do?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of avitor
>> >> training
>> >> Sent: 16 January 2013 18:39
>> >> To: Xerte discussion list
>> >> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Xerte Project Questions
>> >>
>> >> Thanks to Tom and Pat for that, I'll make another installation
>> >> following those guidelines.
>> >>
>> >> Regarding SCORM, I did not mean to be unhelpful; incorporating by
>> >> reference means the target, in  this case Moodle can be consulted
>> >> for the latest support. The current version of SCORM is 2004 and
>> >> this is supported in Moodle via a plugin. Version 1.2 is supported
>> >> natively as I understand is the case with Xerte. Of course, the
>> >> successor to the SCORM 2004 spec.
>> >> is already at version 0.95 so a 1.0 release may appear soon.
>> >>
>> >> Are there plans for implimenting SCORM support in Xerte beyond
>> >> version 1.2, and if so is there a timetable?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Julian
>> >>
>> >>> Regarding the security:
>> >>>
>> >>> Even though the manual sys you have to do this, this is not
>> necessary.
>> >>> You only need to open up the write permissions for the ' web
>> >>> browser user'. i.e. the owner of the web browser process needs to
>> >>> be able to write in those folders.
>> >>>
>> >>> For Linux and apache this means that the files should be owned by
>> >>> the user that runs the apache process. Hope this helps.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regarding SCORM: 'Keeping up with Moodle'  regrettably is not
>> >>> very help full for me, as Moodle and Xerte are two completely
>> >>> different packages.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Tom
>> >>>
>> >>> Op 16-1-2013 13:11, avitor training schreef:
>> >>>> Thanks for the quick reply. Re SCORM, in general, keeping up
>> >>>> with Moodle at least, though of course SCORM/AICC is evolving
>> >>>> (TIN CAN /CMI-5).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The biggest problem currently is the publicly writable
>> >>>> directories (chmod 0777, toolkits installation guide p19,) which
>> >>>> is a security issue and quite correctly forbidden by some
>> >>>> hosting services (we are talking about a potential internet not
>> >>>> an intranet application
>> here).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Can the location of these be changed (perhaps within a config
>> >>>> file,) to a server location that has no URL, so for example from:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> opt/domainname/web/html[site root]/xerte/USER-FILES
>> >>>>
>> >>>> to
>> >>>>
>> >>>> opt/domainname/web/private/USER-FILES
>> >>>>
>> >>>> to enable test and integration of the online toolkit without the
>> >>>> security issues?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also, as this online toolkit installation hasn't been completed
>> >>>> for the above reasons, does it render the same as the techdis
>> >>>> version does on some high aspect ratio laptop screens, i.e. with the 'play'
>> >>>> icon and other page foot features of the new project dialogue
>> >>>> out of view in a window with no scroll bar?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Many thanks for any suggestions in advance.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Yes, still very actively being developed.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Out new website has some broken links, but don't let that worry
>> >>>>> you (I thought I'd found and fixed them all?)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Tom has some plans for more SCORM support: what are your
>> >>>>> requirements here?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of
>> >>>>> avitor training
>> >>>>> Sent: 15 January 2013 10:50
>> >>>>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> >>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Xerte Project Questions
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I have a few questions about the project.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is this project still being actively developed and in
>> >>>>> particular, is there any intention to release further versions
>> >>>>> with support for later SCORM or AICC standards? If so, is there
>> >>>>> a roadmap or timetable for this?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Is there a bug list -I've has difficulties setting up the Xerte
>> >>>>> Online Toolkits on a hosting server for test because of
>> >>>>> security issues over publicly writable directories (could these
>> >>>>> not be relocated to a folder path without a url?) and for
>> >>>>> example the hosted techdis version does not display properly in my browser?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> There are several broken links on the project site
>> >>>>> http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/xerte/ and I'm wondering if the
>> >>>>> targets have been relocated or withdrawn?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I did e-mail the developers at Nottingham over all these issues
>> >>>>> but received no reply so far.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Julian
>> >>>>>
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