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File > New > Blank > Pages > whatever
From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: RE: [Xerte] Re: Creating new template in desktop
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 09:45:38 -0400
>the opportunity to create all three types of projects from the File / New menu,
That the ticket.
New > File > Blank > Pages > whatever
Same as how Word works, and Microsoft spent a few million on UI development.Who are we to argue?;-)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 14:38:58 +0100
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating new template in desktop
The learning object has a property "pages" which is set to "true" in a pages project. This property does not exist in a "normal" project. I don't know if that could be used to enable the distinction to be made?
I can't help wondering if we should be offering the opportunity to create all three types of projects from the File / New menu, since with most software this is how you create a new document or whatever data object the software creates.
For example
File / New / Xerte standard project Xerte pages project Tookits style project (pageTemplates project)
Would this be more easily understood and user friendly than having some create project options in the separate (and perhaps less intuitive) pages menu?
Kind regards
Johnathan
On 1 September 2012 11:42, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:
At the moment the editor makes a distinction between an template
based project and a normal/page project by inspecting the extension.
That's why the pages are enabled when you create a project using
File->new.
If there is an easy/other way to make the distinction between a page
project and a normal Xerte Project, (or if we change the extension
of a pages based project), I can disable the menu easily enough
(there is a function in the editor to toggle this on or off
Tom
Op 31-8-2012 16:53, Kemp Johnathan
schreef:
I
haven’t looked at the differences, but it would be easy for the
editor to create scripts and add them in?
When I get the chance I will try to put together a minimalist
.rlo file so that we know what the bare minimum would be needed
to add to an .rlo file.
Kind regards
Johnathan
On 31 August 2012 15:37, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:
I
haven’t looked at the differences, but it would be
easy for the editor to create scripts and add them in?
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
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On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 31 August 2012 15:37
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating new template in
desktop
Could
it be that if this happens, the pages stuff is
added to the project automagically?
The
copying in of the relevant folders should not be
problematic.
The
issue would be with the rlo file as you would need
to make changes to that. A .rlo file with the bare
minimum necessary for the models to work could be
created, but would you want to replace the
project's original .rlo file and risk losing code
that might have been added to the original .rlo
file?
Kind
regards
Johnathan
On
31 August 2012 14:42, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:
Oh,
that’s right, you need to instantiate the
project as a project that uses pages.
Could
it be that if this happens, the pages stuff
is added to the project automagically?
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
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On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 31 August 2012 14:41
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating new
template in desktop
1. Pages -> Create new Page Project
2. Choose folder, and open new project
Try the rest. (I had no time to check the
hotspots page, but a text page worked
fine.)
Op 31-8-2012 15:09, Julian Tenney
schreef:
Same
here.
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On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 31 August 2012 14:07
To: Xerte list
Subject: [Xerte] Creating
new template in desktop
2.18
as d/l'ed this a.m.
File
New
Save
Pages
> Interactivity
>drag/droplabelling
Open
the Wizard? > No
dragdroplabel
page added as 2nd page (1st page
is Untitled and has nothing
attached)
Preview
(2 blank pages)
Double
click page and start wizard
Select
image
Add
3 hotspots
Preview
(2 blank pages)
debug(pageIcon.templateData);
// undefined
Date:
Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:41:13 +0100
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Creating new
template question
I
am still using the beta.
I
will down load it and take a
look.
Kind
regards
Johnathan
On
30 August 2012 21:37, Dave
Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
wrote:
>The
new Xerte 2.18
That's
why it's problematic.
That's
the setup that I just
downloaded this a.m.
According
to what I was told
yesterday, it should be
2.18
Date:
Thu, 30 Aug 2012
21:30:50 +0100
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Re:
Creating new
template question
Hello
Dave,
Sorry
for the confusion.
The
Page Wizards were
never part of the
official Xerte
download. They
were produced as a
separate zip file
that when unzipped
created a set of
folders, each of
which contained
several .xcp
files. Each single
.xcp file defined
the xwd, rlm and
xml file for a
page. It is this
separate add on to
Xerte that has
been retired.
The
new Xerte 2.18
includes for each
page type a
separate xwd that
defines the form,
and an rlm file
that defines the
model for each
page. Look in
Xerte
\ pages \ models
\ wizards \
en-GB
to
find them.
Each
of the pages in
the original page
wizards download
had its own xml
file that was
already populated
with data. Its
data was enclosed
in
<learningObject>
</learningObject>
tags
so
the top level node
that existed when
Xerte converted
the xml to an
object was
"learningObject"
All
the pages in Xerte
2.18 generate xml
with their data
enclosed in
<pageWizard>
tags so the top
level node in the
object is
"pageWizard"
It
really doesn't
matter what the
top level node is
called as long as
you are
consistent. I
think when we
moved to implement
the individual
page templates in
Xerte 2.18 I
changed from using
"learningObject"
as that is what is
used in
pageTemplates xml
files as a wrapper
to contain the
data for a whole
Xerte project and
not just for one
page.
The
important thing to
realise is that in
a pageTemplates
(project wide
template ) project
or a XOT project
there is only a
single xml file
that contains the
data for all of
the pages. Whereas
in a Xerte pages
project each page
has its own xml
data file
(apologies if I am
teaching you to
suck eggs :-)
Since
the intention is
to create a model
file that can be
used in either
Xerte or XOT this
raises a problem
since the
structure of the
xml file differs
between the single
page for Xerte
individual page
and the one file
containing the
data for all the
pages in a XOT or
pageTemplates type
of project.
The
opening section of
the rlm file
pageIcon
=
icon.parentNode.clip();
if
(rootIcon.projMode
== "dev"){
// Page Wizard
pageIcon.templateData
=
pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
pageIcon.templateData
=
pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
// Toolkits
myXML = new
XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex()
- pgOffset]);
pageIcon.templateData
=
myXML.toObject();
}
resolves
this and the line
highlighted in
yellow effectively
strips out the
reference to
pageWizard so that
the rest of the
model file can
refer to
pageIcon.templateData
and thus be
identical for both
environments.
The
original Page
Wizard files were
only designed to
work in the
desktop Xerte
individual page
environment so
this was not an
issue at the time.
What
is now significant
is that Tom has
written some php
code that will
parse through all
the xwd files in a
xerte install to
generate a new
template.xwd file
that can be used
in XOT. Remember
XOT does not use
individual xwd
files but instead
uses a single file
containing the
forms for all the
pages. I think
this parser looks
for the
<wizard> and
<pageWizard>
tags that are
contained in the
individual xwd
files to help
identify the
relevant sections
to include when
building the
template.xwd file.
You
can develop new
pages by creating
a project using
File / New
However
if you do so and
then try using any
of the existing
model files you
will run into a
number of issues
such as missing
swf files,
rootIcon.projMode
will not be
defined and some
supporting code
that is shared by
several of the
models e.g.
narration support
will not exist in
your project.
Alternatively
if you start your
project using
Pages / Create New
Page Project then
all the items
needed to support
the models will be
included in your
project. So it
kind of makes
sense to use the
Page Project
option and then to
create a new page
by starting from
an existing one.
If you pick a page
that has some of
the features you
want in your page
you can add extra
fields to the xwd
form run the form
and examine the
xml file to see
that it is being
populated
correctly. Then
you can modify the
page's structure
to consume the new
data.
By
keeping to the
standard
structures used in
the new pages you
will ensure that
your new pages can
be transferred to
XOT if you wish to
do that.
I
hope that is a bit
clearer.
KInd
regards
Johnathan
On
30 August 2012
18:59, Dave
Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks
Johnathan.
I
just opened a
new file in
Xerte and then
inserted the
drag/drop .rlm
I am trying to
alter.
so
I added the
templateData
path in the LO
and then used
just
pageIcon.templateData
=
extXML.toObject();
pageIcon.templateData
=
pageIcon.templateData.learningObject[0];
to get the
data loaded.
Why
am I
using learningObject
and you are
using pageWizard
I
thought you
had deprecated
pageWizard.
Date:
Thu, 30 Aug
2012 18:25:56
+0100
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject:
[Xerte] Re:
Creating new
template
question
You
are using an
old model file
probably from
a page wizard.
The
new model
files use
pageIcon
=
icon.parentNode.clip();
if
(rootIcon.projMode
== "dev"){
// Page Wizard
pageIcon.templateData
=
pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
pageIcon.templateData
=
pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
} else {
// Toolkits
myXML = new
XML(extXML.firstChild.childNodes[rootIcon.getPageIndex()
- pgOffset]);
pageIcon.templateData
=
myXML.toObject();
}
A
setup script
off the
entryFrame of
a "pages" type
project sets
rootIcon.projMode
= "dev";
This
ensures the
model file
behaves
correctly for
a desktop
Xerte project.
This value is
not set in XOT
projects which
enables the
same model
file to be
used in both
Xerte and XOT.
The idea being
that people
will be able
to develop new
page types in
Xerte and then
transfer them
to a XOT
environment.
Refer
back to my
other reply
for an idea of
how I approach
the creation
of a new page.
Even if you
don't follow
the same steps
it should
guide you as
to what else
you need to
do.
Kind
regards
Johnathan
On
30 August 2012
15:42, Dave
Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
wrote:
I'm
playing with
the new 2.18
version
(Thanks to
Johnathan and
all!).
I've
made a new
template and
can load it
onto the
flowline.
Now
I want to
alter the
underlying
model and to
do that I need
to get test
data into it.
So
I open a new
file and
insert the
.rlm from the
models file.
In
the first
script icon of
the .rlm we
have:
if
(extXML ==
undefined){
// Page Wizard
pageIcon.templateData
=
pageIcon.extXML.toObject();
pageIcon.templateData
=
pageIcon.templateData.pageWizard[0];
Am
I missing
something,
e.g. if extXML
is undefined,
won't pageIcon.extXML
also be
undefined?
What
I need to do
obviously is
get data into
pageIcon.templateData
in order to
get the model
to function.
Cheers,
Dave
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