[Xerte] Re: plain text connector page problem in XOT

Mon Oct 29 11:56:55 GMT 2012

Better to do as I suggested then it can all be done from the drop down, rather than sending the user away to do something?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
Sent: 29 October 2012 11:56
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: plain text connector page problem in XOT

Back to the prompt.

Maybe first line of the instruction should be:

First you must add a Page ID property to the target page and give it a unique value.

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From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com<mailto:patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:47:33 +0000
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte] Re: plain text connector page problem in XOT
Set a dirty flag on the Id and if in us then don't allow it to be changed - or give auto generated ids a schema so you can warn a user if they tried to change them?

On 29 Oct 2012, at 11:33, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
I can code it, the engine needs to do it, based on that type in .xwd

<attName type="pageList" label="targetPage" ...etc...>

Then the wizard needs to build the list based on the data on the tree, and show the user page titles to choose from. When one is selected it needs to generate an ID if one doesn't exist on the target page, and then link to that. I think that would work? I think also the user could screw it up by changing the ID later and breaking the link: the generated ID would be targ12398637562 or something like that, it would be better to prompt the user to create a friendly one if one didn't exist.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 29 October 2012 10:52
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: plain text connector page problem in XOT

Strikes me it better to offer a choice of valid options than to try to validate later on?

No idea how to code it though

Of course you could go crazy and connect to pages in other projects....

On 29 Oct 2012, at 10:43, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
Good idea. That would require some work in the engine, and a type in the xwd file of 'pageList'. For attributes labelled as such, the engine would then present the drop down, and could generate IDs automagically if they didn't exist...

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 29 October 2012 10:34
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: plain text connector page problem in XOT

Why not provide a drop down list of pages?

On 29 Oct 2012, at 10:30, Kemp Johnathan <johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>> wrote:
One problem may be that people are failing to locate the documentation that supports the Connector pages. Which does not surprise me as at the moment the only place I know they are accessible from is either the help folder of a desktop Xerte install, or from the SVN.

It should be possible to check for page ID and then for page "title".
When you say "page title" are you referring to the xml attribute "name" ?
In desktop Xerte there is both a "name" and a "title" attribute but in XOT the label "Page Title" is used to refer to the attribute "name". So for Xerte use which would you want it to be?

I am concerned that this approach may instead complicate things. By using only Page IDs for connections projects retain a consistency of approach and the connections are safe from side effects resulting from the renaming (retitling) of a page. Page IDs are free from having to do duty as a page title and so can reflect the logical structure of the connections.

Perhaps an alternative solution is to include an info statement to remind people to set a page ID for their destination page.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 29 October 2012 09:35, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>> wrote:
People are missing the need to create a page ID? Is that the root cause of the problem here?

I've wondered if the navigation stuff should use either the page title or the page ID? I've had feedback from people that the ID makes things too complicated / is easy to miss etc. If the code looked first for an ID, and if found, navigated to that, but if not found, it then checked the page titles, and if found, navigated to that, it would catch both situations?

We have got to keep the 'keep it simple' mantra in mind here. Andy is an experienced user, and this should be a simple task. This tells me something could be improved.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 27 October 2012 10:38

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Subject: [Xerte] Re: plain text connector page problem in XOT

In principle it is possible to add this functionality to any page that has a text block.

However this raises the question of when is a connector page not a connector page. For you could end up potentially with a list of connector pages that duplicated most of the existing pages. I would be personally inclined to treat the ability to link from text as in the Plain Text Connector Page as something that is not really a "Connector Page" if we ever went down the route of making this facility available to all text blocks. Almost all the other Connector pages offer facilities to control the navigation options of the destination page, a feature not offered when making a text based connection.

I think the concept of connector pages is still in its infancy. There is a bit of tidying up that I am working with Julian on, to improve the options regarding navigation and setting navigation for destination pages. Then I think it will be worth waiting a while and seeing what the take up of the Connector pages is and getting a feel for how people use them.

There is also the major issue of HTML5. Until I am clearer about the implications of converting existing Connector pages to HTML5 I am rather loathe to expand the range of Connector pages available.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 26 October 2012 16:32, Davidson, Andrew <Andrew.Davidson at warwick.ac.uk<mailto:Andrew.Davidson at warwick.ac.uk>> wrote:
Thanks Johnathan - very helpful. Yes, it was a very simple solution - Dave showed me that I wasn't inserting a page id where it was needed. Makes sense now but in the instruction I only could see about copying and pasting text with the page id - anyway, it's a great addition for Xerte Online Toolkits and I wonder if it will be possible to add this function to other page types in XOT such as a page with graphics and text or a page with video and text.

Best

Andy

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: plain text connector page problem in XOT

You have two ways to use the Page Models in Xerte 2.18 desktop. I hope that soon we will be able to improve the File / New menu so that all the options for creating a the different project types are listed there. However currently...

If you want a page templates type project i.e. a toolkits style project then do
  Pages / Create Template Project from Pages.

Add pages in the same way as normal for Page Templates or XOT projects.

If you want to use the new Pages type project that gives full access to the page models and also the editing environment then do

Pages / Create New Page Project

Add pages by selecting the "Interface" element in the project tree and then select the page type that you want to add from the range of page type folders that you will find off the Pages Menu.

As to how to duplicate the problem that Andrew is experiencing, I am not sure since I am not sure what the cause of the problem is. It may be as simple as not having specified a page ID for the destination page.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 25 October 2012 17:19, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com<mailto:d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>> wrote:
Johnathan, how would one go about recreating Andy's situation in 2.18 desktop?

Thnx,
Dave

Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 17:13:52 +0100
From: johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com<mailto:johnathan.kemp at ntlworld.com>
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte] Re: plain text connector page problem in XOT

The link to your project is not much help as I can't access the values you have entered into the form for the page.

If you take a look at the learning object you should find it has an optional property of "Add Author Support". Add this attribute to your learning object and ensure the check box is ticked. Then play your project once more and try your hyperlink. You should see a message displayed "Page ID: somePageID could not be found in this project"

Where "somePageID" will be the pageID you have specified in your link.

Then check the destination page to ensure that you have given it an optional attribute of "Page ID" and that you have set the Page ID attribute to the value you have used in your link.

That should sort it.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 25 October 2012 15:34, Davidson, Andrew <Andrew.Davidson at warwick.ac.uk<mailto:Andrew.Davidson at warwick.ac.uk>> wrote:
Hi

I am trying to use the plain text connector page in XOT but for some reason I can't get the link to work - http://xerte.warwick.ac.uk/play_116

it highlights as a link on page 3 but does not link back to page 2. Here is the code I entered as a hyperlink

asfunction:_level0.engine.fnTextCon,page2

any ideas?

Thanks.

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