[Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT

Thu Feb 9 09:16:30 GMT 2012

Sort of yes but it obviously it depends on how it ends up working. My
concern as we see on this list is that quite a few people can add new files
to their install or request they be added by someone with server access but
unlikely to use xerte desktop to run the php to build the xwd etc. If we end
up with a way of doing that dynamic build of the xwd in xot as well as
desktop that might help a lot. Probably best to discuss this further on the
dev list at some point.

Meanwhile what about this update of model answer shall I commit that?

With that in place if you don't want a separate collated results page (e.g.
modelAnswerResults.rlm) that can probably be achieved by supplying a model
file which can be added by anyone who wants it via a xerte content page. So
happy for an additional modelAnswerResults page or go the xerte content
route?

Cheers

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 09 February 2012 08:55
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT

I think, that once Tom has finished his xwd builder stuff, it won't matter
because folk will be able to more easily be able to  create an xwd with
whatever models they want in it. This is exactly why you guys wanted to do
that, right?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 08 February 2012 21:56
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT

Ok first a bit of background... 

What I called the compareAnswer page was an extension of the stimulating
question page and existed and was shared long before the model answer even
existed e.g. pre Sept 09 http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/230 (Note: The downloads
there are well out of date now)

It proved really popular and has been in use on the sandpit and other
installations since that time. It was simply added to the page templates xwd
and a compareAnswer.rlm model file added to the models directory. No changes
to the .rlt required.

Following feedback I also added a compare answer results page which collated
and displayed all the instructions, questions and responses wherever that
page was added - typically at the end of the LO.

As has been discussed a popular feature of the compare answer page was that
a user could go back and forth through each page and until they closed the
LO altogether their responses are remembered on each page. Also when they
click the feedback button the instruction, question and their answer for
that page is copied to the clipboard. On the separate compare answer results
page all of the results are copied to the clipboard and there was also an
email button that could be improved or replaced with a print button.

In response to today's thread...

I have added the same functionality to the modelAnswer.rlm attached and
tested that this all works. Let me know if you want me to commit this?

It also contains the code needed in preparation for adding a
modelAnswerResults page but I haven't done that yet but happy to do so if it
will be included?

My dilemma with this now though is what to do about all the existing LO's
that have used my compareAnswer page. I wonder if there's a way we could
tweak the engine or wizard or something to show model answer and when its
developed model answer results but still enable editing of previous LO's
using compareAnswer e.g. some kind of conditional in terms of what rlm to
load if the existing data.xml contains compare answer but any new LO's only
see the model answer option? Hope that makes sense ;-)

Cheers

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 08 February 2012 15:53
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT

If someone can supply me with the model files (.rlm) for these pages and a
templates.xwd file that contains their menu code then I could take a look at
including them in the individual page templates if that is acceptable to the
Xerte team.

If the pages require external support e.g. modifications to the
templates.rlt file or additional javascript in the html that gets published
then this would probably mean I would leave them out for now with a view to
their inclusion being reviewed once Xerte 2.18 is released.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 8 February 2012 15:17, Alistair McNaught
<Alistair.McNaught at heacademy.ac.uk> wrote:

Hi Johnathan
The features of Ron's model answer pages that were attractive included the
copy of the input AND model answer text to the clipboard ad well as the
harvesting of all such data from all such slides into a summary page.

If we could mainstream that there would be some nice value added.

A

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From: Kemp Johnathan
Sent: 08/02/2012 13:02

To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT

There's a 'model answer' in the new tempales..? 

I am seeking to include every page from the current page templates except
Xerte as there is little point in this existing as an individual page
template, I figured this could be included in the default template.xwd
before other pages were added. The menu page is also an issue as it is
different from the other pages in the way it functions, but I will take a
look at it once I have finished the rest of the pages.

So yes there will be a model answer page. I am working alphabetically
through the model files by title and am currently up to Image Viewer so any
ideas about changes to the model answer page or the inclusion of other
versions of a model answer page would be quite timely.

Are Ron's model answer pages self contained? i.e. is everything that makes
them work contained in the rlm file? Or do they need modifications to the
template.rlt file,  or other supporting files?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 8 February 2012 12:31, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
wrote:

There's a 'model answer' in the new tempales..?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 08 February 2012 12:22

To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT

If enough people request it Julian might just be persuaded to include my two
compare answer page types! ;-) 

http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/moodle/xertetoolkits/play_4

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 08 February 2012 11:02
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Query about model answer pagetype in XOT

We can't create / save a file in Word - the user can cut and paste at the
minute. Potentially could do a nicer job of building up the text to cut /
paste, or send it to server for some processing / turn it into a doc of some
sort on the server.

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson, Andrew
Sent: 08 February 2012 10:56
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Query about model answer pagetype in XOT

Hi

With the Model Answer pagetype (type in some text in a box) would it be
possible to have a function which allows the user to save the text created
to a word file and also allows the editor of the page to choose whether the
page should be cleared or not when  the user moves forward or back through
the xerte course pages?

Thanks in advance,

Andy

Centre for Applied Linguistics
Room 0.39 (Social Sciences building)

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