[Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide? (Ron Mitchell)

Tue Feb 7 10:04:26 GMT 2012

I've tested on two other XOT installs and single backslash within latex on
those works fine. But on the sandpit it removes the single slash but works
with \\ by leaving a single. Not been able to identify exactly which file or
files are different or required for single \ to work. :-(

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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 07 February 2012 09:41
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide? (Ron Mitchell)

Not sure. They will be strings in Flash, so I'd expect it to strip a single
\, and would normally escape them myself like \\t, but I haven't used the
latex stuff much.

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 06 February 2012 22:11
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide? (Ron Mitchell)

Hi
I had a quick look at your LO and presumably you're adding the backslash in
front of times and frac etc e.g.
<tex src="=\frac{40\times24\times7}{1000} = 6.72"></tex> ?

For some reason the sandpit seems to be stripping these out which is why the
latex is only partially working.

I'm hoping Pat, Julian or someone else might be able to suggest what file(s)
might be stripping the escape characters out so that I can replace them on
the server?

Cheers
Ron

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Sent: 06 February 2012 19:57
To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide? (Ron Mitchell)

Hi

Recently I had problems with latex rendering in a Xerte LO in the sandpit
and when imported to Blackboard. Julian and co kindly directed me to a new
file to use instead of the old one, this was the XMLEngine.swf. Once I had
replaced the file this worked fine in Blackboard.

Unfortunately, I had to amend the calculations in the LO. So I imported the
old LO into the sandpit area and amended the code. The formulae are only
partially rendering in the sandpit, e.g. 'times' instead of 'x'. The
formulae are also not working when I import the new LO with the previously
used XMLEngine.swf in Blackboard.

Is there a way to work around this?

Many thanks, Alex.

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:06:37 +0000
From: Pat Lockley <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com>
To: Xerte discussion list <xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte] Re: scorm or not?
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The default SCORM export has no extra metadata in the fields.

As XOT has support for dc:title and dc:description (see the open content
tab) - you can opt to create a scorm package with this data in too, if you
prefer. Some people may not want to, hence both options.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Leaving the content in toolkits and linking to it is better in some 
> ways because you can easily update it. If you export it, and import it 
> elsewhere as scorm you can?t.
>
>
>
> Blackboard will track your users if you provide a link to the URL of 
> the piece in toolkits. No need to export it.
>
> You could then use a native blackboard quiz to validate the learning, 
> in a ?view this piece then take this quiz? approach.
>
>
>
> If you do export it as a scorm package, you can import that into 
> Blackboard, the only real reason to do that, is as you say, to get a 
> quiz
score.
>
>
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Oliver 
> Haslam
> Sent: 20 January 2012 14:32
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] scorm or not?
>
>
>
> Thanks very much Dave, Pat and Julian for your replies. I?m still not 
> totally clear about the use of scorm with XOT, however. (NB I?m not 
> using the sandpit anymore so anything to do with the sandpit is no 
> longer relevant to my question.)
>
>
>
> I want to track students? usage of the LOs in Blackboard AND the 
> results of quizzes in Blackboard. So is it right that I need to export 
> the LOs as ?Scorm Export? and then upload them into Blackboard to 
> achieve
this?
>
>
>
> Also, what is meant by the ?richer SCORM metadata? that comes with the 
> ?SCORM + metadata export?? What effect would/could that have within 
> Blackboard?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Oli
>
>
>
> _______________________________
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>
> Oliver Haslam
>
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>
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave 
> Burnett
> Sent: 20 January 2012 13:54
> To: Xerte list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own 
> XOT installation
>
>
>
>
>
> That is correct.
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Oliver.Haslam at uwe.ac.uk
>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:56:31 +0000
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own 
>> XOT installation
>>
>> My understanding is that if the LOs are Scorm compliant we can upload 
>> them into our LMS (Blackboard) which will then be able to track 
>> how/if students have used the LOs. And it allows results from quizzes 
>> etc. to be interpreted by the LMS.
>>
>> Please advise me if I've understood this incorrectly.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Oli
>>
>> _______________________________
>>
>> Oliver Haslam
>> Course Developer (Technologist)
>> Applied Sciences & Allied Health Professions
>>
>> Technology Enhanced Learning
>> University of the West of England
>> _______________________________
>> T: 0117 32 88215
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian 
>> Tenney
>> Sent: 20 January 2012 10:36
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own 
>> XOT installation
>>
>> I'm delighted we've got this far but having scorm capability would be 
>> even better...
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Oliver 
>> Haslam
>> Sent: 20 January 2012 10:32
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own 
>> XOT installation
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> After some tinkering on the server (not entirely sure what) we can 
>> now create and play LOs on our installation of XOT.
>> Importing/exporting of LOs works fine as 'zip export' but doesn't 
>> work as
'scorm export'.
>>
>> Trying to import as Scorm gets the following: "Upload checkFile 
>> transfer has failed.****Only Xerte templates are currently imported."
>>
>> I'm delighted we've got this far but having scorm capability would be 
>> even better...
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Oli
>>
>> _______________________________
>>
>> Oliver Haslam
>> Course Developer (Technologist)
>> Applied Sciences & Allied Health Professions
>>
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>> _______________________________
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron 
>> Mitchell
>> Sent: 19 January 2012 16:17
>> To: 'Xerte discussion list'
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own 
>> XOT installation
>>
>> Also no need to apologise it was others who hijacked your subject 
>> line ;-)
>>
>> With a new installation it's obviously a fundamental step/requirement 
>> that creating and viewing an LO works before trying things like 
>> exporting and importing. Clearly something isn't right with your 
>> install and if you don't have access to the server yourself you may 
>> need to get whoever does to subscribe and post to this list. Pat will 
>> no doubt make additional suggestions but my list would be...
>>
>> Check database.php and make sure the values are correct Check the 
>> site_details table in the database especially that the various paths 
>> are correct Check the permissions are correct
>>
>> Make sure creating/editing/viewing works before even trying exporting 
>> and importing Once that works try exporting and importing from the 
>> same install before trying to import a sandpit created lo Finally try 
>> the sandpit import and post further questions if everything but that 
>> works
>>
>> HTH
>> Ron
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian 
>> Tenney
>> Sent: 19 January 2012 15:58
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own 
>> XOT installation
>>
>> I notice parent_t has 8 letters - why is it truncating there? The 
>> folder should be parent_templates... does that folder exist on the
server?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Oliver 
>> Haslam
>> Sent: 19 January 2012 15:56
>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte] exporting from sandpit and importing to our own XOT 
>> installation
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> First of all, my apologies for any confusion caused by posting to the 
>> wrong list. I'm new in this post, new to XOT, new to how these 
>> support lists work and I think I have been mixing up two or more XOT 
>> problems into the same email help request. So thanks for all the help 
>> so far and for bearing with me!
>>
>> Secondly, despite the subject line of this email (which I have kept 
>> only for the sake of continuity!) I don't know if there is and export 
>> issue at all but there's obviously an issue with our new installation 
>> of XOT: I've made a test LO but when I try to play it I get this
>> message: "ERROR: The file modules/Xerte/parent_t" and it won't play.
>>
>> I don't have access to the server files myself but will pass on any 
>> advice received to those that do.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Oli
>>
>> _______________________________
>>
>> Oliver Haslam
>> Course Developer (Technologist)
>> Applied Sciences & Allied Health Professions
>>
>> Technology Enhanced Learning
>> University of the West of England
>> _______________________________
>> T: 0117 32 88215
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 13:25:29 -0000
>> From: "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
>> To: "'Xerte discussion list'" <xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: exporting from sandpit and importing to our 
>> own XOT installation
>> Message-ID: <011001ccd6ad$d212de80$76389b80$@co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> This is all going to get confusing with some of the subsequent 
>> replies hijacking the subject line for an unrelated topic.
>>
>> Not sure if Oli has subscribed here yet either but I would 
>> comment/add as
>> follows:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. As David has said in a subsequent reply the sandpit doesn't 
>> currently work with the Zip local option or scrom + metadata export.
>> That will be fixed in future and is specific to the sandpit but in a 
>> way irrelevant at the moment.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. The normal Zip export and Scorm export work fine on the sandpit 
>> and import back into the sandpit ok too.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. Oli my 1st suggestion would be for you to create a new test LO on 
>> your new installation. Publish and export that. Then try to import 
>> that back into the same installation. Does that work without the same 
>> errors? If it doesn't then you need to resolve the issue with your 
>> installation and this is separate from any issues with the sandpit.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4. If step 3. did work send a copy or link of the zip you exported 
>> from the sandpit so we can test and provide further help.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair 
>> McNaught
>> Sent: 19 January 2012 12:11
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] FW: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own 
>> XOT installation
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I picked this up from teacher list but it more properly belongs in 
>> here so any ideas? I'll ask Oli to ensure he's subscribed in here to 
>> pick up the answers.
>>
>>
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>>
>> From: A list to facilitate and support teachers using Xerte Online 
>> Toolkits [mailto:XERTEFORTEACHERS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Oliver 
>> Haslam
>> Sent: 19 January 2012 12:05
>> To: XERTEFORTEACHERS at JISCMAIL.AC.UK
>> Subject: exporting from sandpit and importing to our own XOT 
>> installation
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>>
>>
>> We finally have our own installation of XOT and I'd like to transfer 
>> the LOs I've made in the sandpit to our own version of XOT. But I'm 
>> having a few problems. Any help would be very gratefully received!
>>
>>
>>
>> I can export from the sandpit as a straightforward "zip export"
>> without any problems. And I can import the .zip into our own version 
>> of XOT okay but when I try to play the newly imported LO I get an 
>> error message saying
>> "ERROR: The file modules/Xerte/parent_t" and it won't play.
>>
>>
>>
>> So I tried to export from the sandpit in different formats to see if 
>> that works. When I try to export as a "Zip (local) export" or as a 
>> "SCORM + metadata export" I am immediately logged out of the sandpit 
>> and taken to the login page: http://xerte5.techdis.palepurple.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>> I can export from the sandpit as a "Scorm export" but when I try to 
>> import the .zip into our own XOT I get a message saying "Upload 
>> checkFile transfer has failed.****Only Xerte templates are currently 
>> imported." And can go no further.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps our version of XOT is not installed/configured correctly? But 
>> it seems the sandpit is not happy either...
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>>
>> Oli
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> Oliver Haslam
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> University of the West of England
>>
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>>
>> T: 0117 32 88215
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:09:56 -0000
From: "Ron Mitchell" <ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk>
To: "'Xerte discussion list'" <xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi Alistair

you should find that both the itq site and the sandpit now both display
latex and also work offline when exported.

Let me know if you encounter any further problems.

Cheers

Ron

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 20 January 2012 11:12
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?

Server based version still fine but local version now hangs on loading

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 20 January 2012 11:06
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?

Hi Alistair

ok try exporting again and reporting back re the same questions.

Cheers

Ron

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 20 January 2012 10:55
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?

Hi Ron

Many thanks for speedy response.

1) Now it works fine on the server BUT

2) Local version after download doesn't work - doesn't render any latex but
leaves blank spaces.

Is that the export function that needs tweaking or something different?

A

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 20 January 2012 10:47
To: 'Xerte discussion list'
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?

Alistair

I was updating the itq installation as your message came in - try again I
think you'll find it works now?

However could you try exporting that and viewing locally and answer the
following:

1. Does it still display the latex when viewed locally?

2. If it displays is it ok or is it jumbled in any way e.g. spacing between
lines not quite right?

Cheers

Ron

BTW sandpit not yet updated - need to contact David about something.

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Sent: 20 January 2012 10:33
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Subject: [Xerte] Formulae and Latex - idiot's guide?

Hi all

I previously creates a learning object at
http://itq.jisctechdis.ac.uk/xerte/play_59 to show teaching staff how to
create formulae using simple Latex expressions.

I know there have been issues with the site that was used to host the Latex
rendering script and we now have a new solution but I'm not sure how to
implement the new solution so that my old learning object (above) will
correctly display the formulae now.

I've probably missed some important comment in a thread I skimmed too
quickly but any pointers as to how to 'redeem' old formulae rich learning
objects will be very welcome.

Thanks

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