[Xerte] Re: Implementing routed pages in a pageTemplates / toolkits environment

[Kemp Johnathan]

I have been following the discussion thread re the svn, sorry there is
nothing I can do to help.

I appreciate that has to be your priority.

As I have said in other posts - I can wait :-)

I will continue finishing off my work on the scenario Page Wizard and some
documentation to support it. I expect that once we can arrive at a working
solution for locating page indexes that is compatible with both desktop and
pageTemplate / toolkits environments it will be a simple process for me to
modify the routed page rlm files to accommodate the changes.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 20 October 2011 10:01, Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>wrote:

> Keep figuring this out, but I’m parking it for the time being until we get
> to a working SVN.
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:
> xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 19 October 2011 15:00
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Re: Implementing routed pages in a pageTemplates /
> toolkits environment
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> Tom has the right idea of the problem I was trying to point out.
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> If it is preferred that this type of question be posted to the dev list
> then I have no problem with that. I guess I was thinking of the dev list as
> related to the languaging and modularisation work. Julian due you have a
> preference for where this discussion continues?
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> I think that from Tom's reply he has grasped the issue.
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> Essentially I need to have
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> 1. A field in the xwd form for a page into which a user can enter a unique
> identifier.
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> 2. A way of populating the name property of the page icon with the unique
> identifier entered into the xwd so that I can use the getChildByName method
> to obtain the page index so that I can navigate to it.
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> Currently most xwd forms have a name field, but this is used in
> pageTemplates to provide the Page Title. So I wouldn't use the name field in
> the xwd, this will also avoid compromising any backward compatibility
> issues.
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> I propose adding an optional pageID field to an xwd form and invite the
> page author to enter a unique value for the page.
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> The show stopper is that currently there is no setPageName() method for the
> page icon that would let me populate the page Icon's name property with the
> value entered into the xwd form. Thus I have no way of using the xwd entered
> pageID value to derive the index of a page.
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> In the Page Wizard environment the problem is overcome by not using a
> property entered in an xwd, but by setting the page Icon's name property
> manually in the property page for the icon.
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> In a pageTemplates environment the Page Author does not have access to the
> page Icon's property page and so cannot set the page name property manually,
> so an xwd driven solution is needed.
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> Kind regards
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> Johnathan
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> On 19 October 2011 12:57, Tom Reijnders <reijnders at tor.nl> wrote:
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> I think that the main issue Jonathan is referring to has nothing to do with
> Wizards/Page templates, but with the fact that you can't get to the name of
> an icon (or set it) in templates from the, ehmmm, wizard... (the xwd
> editor). If we can fix that, Jonathan can make his 'wizards' work in
> templates. That would be cool.
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> Jonathan? Did I understand the issue correctly? By the way, I think this
> discussion is more appropriate on the dev list.
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> Op 19-10-2011 12:40, Julian Tenney schreef:
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> I’m not so familiar with the page wizards side of things, but I see what
> you mean.
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> From a templates side of things, would it work if you used the name, and
> asked people to keep them unique? What you then say is that because wizards
> don’t have a name property, then for the author there’s messing about to do
> between the wizard and the icon properties?
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> From my point of view, templates trump wizards as there are many more users
> of templates.
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> There is an id generated somewhere, but it’s not user friendly if they had
> to type it in.
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> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [
> mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kemp Johnathan
> *Sent:* 19 October 2011 09:05
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* [Xerte] Implementing routed pages in a pageTemplates / toolkits
> environment
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>  I am currently working on the scenario page that I demonstrated at the
> recent Xerte Dev and I would like to be able to get this working in a
> pageTemplates environment, but the way routed pages currently operate will
> not transfer directly to a pageTemplates environment.
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> What is required:
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> A value that the page author can set as a unique identifier for a page.
> This value will then be entered into the "destination" field of another page
> so that the second page can send the user to the first page when a condition
> is met. This value needs to be set from an xwd form.
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> Solution in Page Wizards:
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> Use the page icon's "Name" property. ( not ideal as this is not accessible
> from the xwd form)
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> When a page's destination field in an xwd form is populated with the name
> of a page navigation to that page is achieved by
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> 1. use getChildByName to obtain the pages xml
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> 2. obtain the pages index by using .index() method of the xml
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> 3. use gotoPage(page's index) to navigate to the page
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> (the above is a little simplified but contains the key elements).
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> This method has a couple of problems
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> 1. In Page Wizards the page's details are set up in the xwd form, but you
> have to remember to set the page "name" (and "title" for display purposes)
> in the page Icon's property page. Ideally there would be a way to pass the
> "name" value from the xwd form to the property page of the icon.
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> 2. In Page Templates there is no way (that I know of) for the page author
> to access the "name" field of the page icon and hence no way to set up a
> unique identifier for the page that can later be used to access the pages
> index in either a framework or the interface.
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> 3. In Page Templates the xwd form's "name" field is used to set the Page
> Title display. This compromises the use of the name field in the xwd for use
> as a destination as titles tend to be verbose and contain spaces and may not
> be unique, whilst an identifier field would ideally be concise and free of
> spaces. This could be solved by adding an optional identifier field to an
> xwd form but there still would need to be a way of using this to populate
> the page Icon's name field.
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> Is there an approach I can use that I am unfamiliar with or is this an
> opportunity for a new method to be added to the Xerte engine, e.g. a
> setPageName() method?
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> I note that rootIcon has a setPageTitle method but this does not appear to
> change the underlying page property, i.e.
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> if I create a page
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> set the page icon's title property to "eric"
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> run a script on the page with rootIcon.setPageTitle("fred");
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> then when I preview the page
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> The preview displays the page title as "fred",
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> The page Icon's property page continues to show the title as "eric"
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> Kind regards
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> Johnathan
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