[Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound pagetype?
Ron Mitchell
ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
Fri Jun 17 14:08:39 BST 2011
You have access on the sandpit and at some point I'll add to the ITQ and VLE
installations too.
I'm sure your suggestion is possible but as Julian originally replied to
Andrew... " Someone will have to code it." ;-)
Perhaps add to the list for that "developer day" we've talked about at times
unless someone on the list wants to take up the challenge?
Ron
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 17 June 2011 12:54
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Very nice. I like it. Can I have one please J
And how easy would it be to go a step further and have a sort of cross
between a Navigator template and an annotated diagram template like the
image below: clicking on each tab would drop down new hints. Could be great
for many of the data interpretation assessments that you get in earth
science, sociology, history etc.
You could achieve a similar pedagogical effect by subverting other existing
templates but if it was a relatively quick win to replicate the tabs it
would be rather nice.
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 17 June 2011 10:52
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Subject: [Xerte] Re:transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Yes. more information is a bit long for the button width but just fits and
hint or more info certainly fits. The button label is an optional property
that defaults to transcript if not added and can also be added and left
blank so the button doesn't have a label. See page 2 of this example to see
your text added with more information as the label
http://xerte5.techdis.palepurple.co.uk/play_8835
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 17 June 2011 10:29
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Is it possible for the Toolkit user to change the name on the tab (e.g.
"more information" or "hint")?
I can see this as being a nice way of adding a level of differentiation
where there was no narrative that needed a transcript. For example you
could put a simple template sequence together, starting with a graph of
supply and demand curve in economics and a question about what the impact of
a price rise of coffee will be on the demand for fish fingers. The following
template could be the multichoice quiz ask them what would happen why.
Confident learners could go straight to the quiz from the image but those
that needed a bit of kickstart click on a hint button that would remind them
of some key principles.
Alistair
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 17 June 2011 09:39
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Subject: [Xerte] Re:transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Hi Andy short answer: yes it does.
Longer answer: even with a simple addition like this there's all sorts of
permutations to consider. e.g. when I was quickly working on this yesterday
I tested with a few different images and when adding a tall rather than wide
image the existing dimension settings for the image meant that there was no
room for the transcript, so I reduced that maxheight by 100 pixels. But then
there are also options to say the image should be displayed actual size or
full screen so this needed conditional statements to effectively say if full
screen is chosen for the image hide the transcript, if actual size is chosen
hide the transcript if there's no space below the image for the transcript.
This morning I added another condition so that if a tall image is added the
maxheight is only reduced if a transcript is added. Clearly a transcript is
an optional property so a tall image shouldn't be reduced if a transcript
isn't added. That updated .rlm file is attached and also committed to the
xerte repository.
People that use the developer tool or page wizards can obviously tweak these
things to match their requirements but for toolkits users all of these kinds
of permutations have to be thought through and built-in. This is testament
to how good XOT and its various templates are and what Julian and Pat have
developed with a lot of hard work!
HTH
Ron
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson, Andrew
Sent: 17 June 2011 08:40
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Ron - quick message - does the transcript function have a scroll bar
function as with the video transcript button function? Just wondering how
much text can be entered into the transcript entry slot.
andy
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 June 2011 22:34
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Subject: [Xerte] Re:transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Ok cheers thanks for the clarification.
Been thinking that this provides another way to use xpert attributed image
e.g. use the embed code option and paste the url in the image field (with
single quotes) and the rest of the code in the transcript box. Example here
http://xerte5.techdis.palepurple.co.uk/play_8835
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 June 2011 21:46
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Great. Just check any xerte stuff, templates etc into the xerte svn. The
only changes that should be commited to the toolkits svn are changes to the
web aplication itself. I copy files from the xerte repo into the toolkits
one to keep it up to date, and when I do that I make new xtp files from the
xerte svn as well, so for xerte stuff I consider the xerte svn as the
definitive files when making a new zip, or updating Xerte. For any php /
toolkits code, i.e. the web application (or 'Pat's stuff') the toolkits svn
is definitive. I work and develop in my checked out xerte svn all the time,
and look for any updates each morning,
_____
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[xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
[ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk]
Sent: 16 June 2011 21:28
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
done!
Committed to both toolkits and xerte.
And for anyone using the Techdis sandpit this transcript option is available
in the graphic and sound page.
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 June 2011 16:51
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
It's just the transcript thing, yes? Then, yes, no worries, I just didn't
have time to code it today, and as it happens you've done it already.
You have commit rights to the svn - is it easy to commit an updated
textGraphics.rlm and update the main .xwd?
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 June 2011 15:37
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Andy
you wouldn't need to send the whole zip. In the zip there are only two files
that have changed but these also have different names so would need to be
renamed.
>From the newer zip posted in my later message as a link rather than
attachment the two files that would need to be replaced on your server are
as follows:
1. rename template.rlt to Nottingham.rlt and replace the version in your
installation \modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\Nottingham.rlt
2. rename template.xwd to data.xwd and replace
\modules\xerte\parent_templates\Nottingham\data.xwd
It's Julian's call whether these additions/changes are included in the Notts
downloads and I'm sure he'll confirm that either way. It would be good if
they are and if Julian confirms that you could still follow the instructions
above because the files would obviously be the same.
Regards
Ron
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson, Andrew
Sent: 16 June 2011 15:08
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Thanks for the attention to this issue.
Ron, is that a zip I should send to the company hosting my uni's XOT version
or something that will be incorporated into XOT itself and I'll need to
advise them to update their XOT install once notified change has been
incorporated?
Andy
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 June 2011 14:26
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttionfor audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Noticed a slight error with that previous attachment if the magnifier
optional property was added (it didn't show) and obviously doesn't exist on
the video page. This is fixed in this version.
Julian - I used your menuBug attachment as the starting point for this so
it's only the .xwd and textGraphics.rlm that's changed.
HTH
Ron
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 June 2011 14:09
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Try this...
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson, Andrew
Sent: 16 June 2011 13:36
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
Ahhhh, I get it. Thank you.
Andy
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 June 2011 13:28
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio onGraphics andSound
pagetype?
It can. Someone will have to code it.
In the meantime, you can make a video from the sound file you have, and add
an image then use it in the vdeo page where the transcript functionality is
already there.
I think the messages are coming back in a funny order.
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson, Andrew
Sent: 16 June 2011 13:26
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio on Graphics andSound
pagetype?
Sorry Julian - not following the connection for your last post.
I'm just wondering if a transcript button can be set up for the media player
when I create a sound file in the Graphics and Sound pagetype.
Andy
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 June 2011 13:19
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio on Graphics andSound
pagetype?
Yes, you can easily make the video in Windows Movie Maker.
Start a new project, import a sound, import a picture and stretch it across
the timeline and output the video. Most likely that will give you a .wmv, so
you'll need to convert it to flv format. You could add several pictures if
appropriate,
J
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Adam Read
Sent: 16 June 2011 12:29
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Subject: [Xerte] Re: transcript buttion for audio on Graphics and Sound
pagetype?
Sounds like a sensible idea. My only suggestion would to be to see if the
label of the 'transcripts' button could be changed by the creator. For
example, in some cases it is more appropriate to add 'notes' or something
similar (rather than a transcript) to a video (graphics/sound).
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Davidson, Andrew
Sent: 16 June 2011 12:04
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Subject: [Xerte] transcript buttion for audio on Graphics and Sound
pagetype?
Hi - I am working with XOT templates and have been working on the Graphics
and Sound pagetype for Media. Recently, Julian was able to get the
transcript button working for the Video page type and now I wonder whether
it would be possible to have a transcript button option for the Graphics and
Sound pagetype. Please see images for reference. The reason I think this
would be valuable is that the space taken up by my transcript in the text
entry location could be used for task instructions and, for example,
reflection questions for the student as they listen. Then, if needed, they
could click on the transcript. As it is, having the transcript so visible
might lead some students to just read it anyway without first trying to
listen.
What thinks?
Oh, thanks for sorting out the video transcript button, Julian. Much
appreciated.
Andy
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