[Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?

[Julian Tenney]

Tend to agree. The LMS implementations of SCORM I've worked with have all been poor. It's a bit like 'there's no point making this work well, because no one ever uses it and but no one makes much use of it because it doesn't work well.'.


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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 11 July 2011 13:51
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?

i don't think there is much brilliant work in any LMS either

It's an atypical OS change really (like the google api wave of death)
- here comes an UPgrade. Putting the grate in grateful.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
> OK.
>
> This is anecdotal, but my impression is LMS's are used far less for the
> ability "to share my brilliant work" than their ability to score and
> generate pretty reports/graphs/attendance figures.
> I don't think most LMS using folks could tell you what the S in SCORM stands
> for.
> ;-)
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:22:44 +0100
>> From: patrick.lockley at googlemail.com
>> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
>>
>> I'm not fussed about moodle - but i believe the change for the
>> community hub idea, possibly due to moodle needing to scale so it can
>> blah blah blah blah
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Lot's of complaining from "advanced" users, or at least the folks who
>> > are
>> > doing something more than uploading a Word doc and linking to it.
>> >
>> > I'm late to the discussion, but it appears it's a dispute about LMS vs
>> > LCMS
>> > philosophy.
>> > So they are severely restricting the content manipulation side of
>> > things.
>> >
>> > Ron: If I was administrating the thing, I would take your advice and
>> > host
>> > the heavy media elsewhere.
>> > But the architecture is engine based, and really counts on a known
>> > structure
>> > to run multiple courses.
>> >
>> > root //engine
>> >   course folder
>> >     section1folder
>> >       audiofolder
>> >       videofolder
>> >       xmldriverfile
>> >   course folder
>> >     section1folder
>> >       audiofolder
>> >       videofolder
>> >       xmldriverfile
>> >
>> > etc
>> >
>> > Rejigging to have external media is of course possible, but this sort of
>> > radical structure change for a large base app is kind of stupid IMO.
>> >
>> > Sure, AS2 to AS3, but the advantages there are obvious.
>> > What does this Moodle change accomplish? Save some server space by
>> > reusing
>> > files?
>> > I thought storage costs were almost a non-factor these days...
>> > Why they would interfere with OS based pathing and interpolate a
>> > databased
>> > one is bizarre to me.
>> >
>> > Peeved.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
>> > To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:47:00 +0100
>> > Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
>> >
>> > Doesn't sound great. Is there any discussion in the moodle forums on the
>> > subject?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
>> > Sent: 11 July 2011 12:10
>> > To: Xerte list
>> > Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Even more unsettling is it seems the database lookup for files forms a
>> > single point of failure/slowness.
>> > The same piece that runs fine on 1.9 runs painfully slowly under 2.0.
>> > And I do not believe you can simply overwrite a file anyway. The
>> > database
>> > uses the individual file sizes as part of the was to identify them, so
>> > you
>> > need to actually alter the database entry to match the new file.
>> >
>> > I think Moodle has really shot itself in the foot with this one.
>> > I would like to see a list of the supposed benefits that justified such
>> > a
>> > radical structure change.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>> > To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:44:44 +0100
>> > Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
>> >
>> > It does seem a short sighted and in many cases impractical solution.
>> >
>> > The only solution to your problem that I can think of is keep the larger
>> > media assets external and link via full url when developing the LO. Not
>> > ideal but would perhaps resolve the file size problem?
>> >
>> > Ron
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
>> > Sent: 09 July 2011 20:53
>> > To: Xerte list
>> > Subject: [Xerte] FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Point being of course, let's say you have a SCORM object layed out in a
>> > set
>> > of folders.
>> > One of those folders contains 500 Mb of video.
>> >
>> > It seems Moodle 2 is trying to say, each time you change 1 byte of any
>> > file
>> > within the SCORM .zip, you have to re-upload the entire thing.
>> > You can see how that will get old pretty quickly...
>> >
>> > I am seeing another complaint regarding "mini-websites" uploaded and
>> > unzipped.
>> > Apparently all relative links are broken, because the files are not
>> > being
>> > maintained on the server in the same relative structure.
>> >
>> > I can see their point about making resources reusable by databasing the
>> > paths, but not allowing access to the underlying SCORM structure files,
>> > or
>> > at least giving an option to "database ignore these files and maintain
>> > relative structure" is pretty short-sighted IMO.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com
>> > To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > Subject: RE: [Xerte] Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
>> > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 11:13:56 -0400
>> >
>> > Thanks Ron.
>> >
>> > Not yet. I've also taken a peek at this:
>> > http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=166999#p735868
>> >
>> > I'm a bit hobbled at the moment because I do not have admin access to
>> > the
>> > Moodle 2 setup, so can't create repositories etc to test stuff.
>> >
>> > Even with that though, the workarounds are all pretty involved (I won't
>> > be
>> > adminning them myself).
>> > As well, they seem to be aimed at maintaining relative link integrity,
>> > etc.
>> >
>> > What I had the ability to do in 1.x was:
>> >
>> > - Upload and unzip SCORM shell structure.
>> > - Find that strucrure with file picker utility
>> > - add/overwrite files within that structure
>> >
>> >
>> > Is there any way at all within Moodle 2 (custom repository? files system
>> > folder?) to emulate that capability?
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
>> > To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:32:29 +0100
>> > Subject: [Xerte] Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
>> >
>> > Hi Dave
>> >
>> > did you find your answer?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Moodle 2 does have a files area but not in the same was as previously
>> > and
>> > you may not like the 1st answer/solution as it's nowhere near as
>> > straightforward as previously!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 1. So if you really want to go the same route as before see
>> >
>> > http://www.pengzhang.ca/blog/2011/01/10/updating-large-scorm-courses-loaded-on-moodle/
>> >
>> > but if you can set it up the following might be a better option:
>> >
>> > 2.
>> >
>> > http://www.pengzhang.ca/blog/2011/01/08/loading-large-scorm-pif-packages-onto-moodle-2-0/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > HTH
>> >
>> > Ron
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>> > [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
>> > Sent: 07 July 2011 18:03
>> > To: Xerte list
>> > Subject: [Xerte] Moodle 2 server file structure?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > In Moodle 1.x I had this process to evade the php.ini upload max size.
>> >
>> > Upload SCORM package containing shell structure of LO, complete with
>> > folders
>> > for audio/video media.
>> > Go to the left hand menu Files area, dig down to numbered folder
>> > representing root of unzipped SCORM package.
>> > Upload audio/video files to appropriate folder.
>> >
>> > Moodle 2 has no "Files" area, now has something called "Repositiories".
>> >
>> > I have my shell uploaded, but I'll be darned if I can find that file
>> > structure anywhere.
>> > Hints?
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
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