[Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?

[Pat Lockley]

I'm not fussed about moodle - but i believe the change for the
community hub idea, possibly due to moodle needing to scale so it can
blah blah blah blah

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Dave Burnett <d_b_burnett at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lot's of complaining from "advanced" users, or at least the folks who are
> doing something more than uploading a Word doc and linking to it.
>
> I'm late to the discussion, but it appears it's a dispute about LMS vs LCMS
> philosophy.
> So they are severely restricting the content manipulation side of things.
>
> Ron: If I was administrating the thing, I would take your advice and host
> the heavy media elsewhere.
> But the architecture is engine based, and really counts on a known structure
> to run multiple courses.
>
> root //engine
>   course folder
>     section1folder
>       audiofolder
>       videofolder
>       xmldriverfile
>   course folder
>     section1folder
>       audiofolder
>       videofolder
>       xmldriverfile
>
> etc
>
> Rejigging to have external media is of course possible, but this sort of
> radical structure change for a large base app is kind of stupid IMO.
>
> Sure, AS2 to AS3, but the advantages there are obvious.
> What does this Moodle change accomplish? Save some server space by reusing
> files?
> I thought storage costs were almost a non-factor these days...
> Why they would interfere with OS based pathing and interpolate a databased
> one is bizarre to me.
>
> Peeved.
>
> Dave
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> ________________________________
> From: Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:47:00 +0100
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
>
> Doesn’t sound great. Is there any discussion in the moodle forums on the
> subject?
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
> Sent: 11 July 2011 12:10
> To: Xerte list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
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>
> Even more unsettling is it seems the database lookup for files forms a
> single point of failure/slowness.
> The same piece that runs fine on 1.9 runs painfully slowly under 2.0.
> And I do not believe you can simply overwrite a file anyway. The database
> uses the individual file sizes as part of the was to identify them, so you
> need to actually alter the database entry to match the new file.
>
> I think Moodle has really shot itself in the foot with this one.
> I would like to see a list of the supposed benefits that justified such a
> radical structure change.
>
> Dave
>
> ________________________________
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> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:44:44 +0100
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
>
> It does seem a short sighted and in many cases impractical solution.
>
> The only solution to your problem that I can think of is keep the larger
> media assets external and link via full url when developing the LO. Not
> ideal but would perhaps resolve the file size problem?
>
> Ron
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> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
> Sent: 09 July 2011 20:53
> To: Xerte list
> Subject: [Xerte] FW: Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
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>
> Point being of course, let's say you have a SCORM object layed out in a set
> of folders.
> One of those folders contains 500 Mb of video.
>
> It seems Moodle 2 is trying to say, each time you change 1 byte of any file
> within the SCORM .zip, you have to re-upload the entire thing.
> You can see how that will get old pretty quickly...
>
> I am seeing another complaint regarding "mini-websites" uploaded and
> unzipped.
> Apparently all relative links are broken, because the files are not being
> maintained on the server in the same relative structure.
>
> I can see their point about making resources reusable by databasing the
> paths, but not allowing access to the underlying SCORM structure files, or
> at least giving an option to "database ignore these files and maintain
> relative structure" is pretty short-sighted IMO.
>
> Dave
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: d_b_burnett at hotmail.com
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Subject: RE: [Xerte] Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 11:13:56 -0400
>
> Thanks Ron.
>
> Not yet. I've also taken a peek at this:
> http://moodle.org/mod/forum/discuss.php?d=166999#p735868
>
> I'm a bit hobbled at the moment because I do not have admin access to the
> Moodle 2 setup, so can't create repositories etc to test stuff.
>
> Even with that though, the workarounds are all pretty involved (I won't be
> adminning them myself).
> As well, they seem to be aimed at maintaining relative link integrity, etc.
>
> What I had the ability to do in 1.x was:
>
> - Upload and unzip SCORM shell structure.
> - Find that strucrure with file picker utility
> - add/overwrite files within that structure
>
>
> Is there any way at all within Moodle 2 (custom repository? files system
> folder?) to emulate that capability?
>
> Dave
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:32:29 +0100
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Moodle 2 server file structure?
>
> Hi Dave
>
> did you find your answer?
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> Moodle 2 does have a files area but not in the same was as previously and
> you may not like the 1st answer/solution as it's nowhere near as
> straightforward as previously!
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> 1. So if you really want to go the same route as before see
> http://www.pengzhang.ca/blog/2011/01/10/updating-large-scorm-courses-loaded-on-moodle/
>
> but if you can set it up the following might be a better option:
>
> 2.
> http://www.pengzhang.ca/blog/2011/01/08/loading-large-scorm-pif-packages-onto-moodle-2-0/
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Burnett
> Sent: 07 July 2011 18:03
> To: Xerte list
> Subject: [Xerte] Moodle 2 server file structure?
>
>
>
> In Moodle 1.x I had this process to evade the php.ini upload max size.
>
> Upload SCORM package containing shell structure of LO, complete with folders
> for audio/video media.
> Go to the left hand menu Files area, dig down to numbered folder
> representing root of unzipped SCORM package.
> Upload audio/video files to appropriate folder.
>
> Moodle 2 has no "Files" area, now has something called "Repositiories".
>
> I have my shell uploaded, but I'll be darned if I can find that file
> structure anywhere.
> Hints?
>
> Dave
>
>
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