[Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
Ron Mitchell
ronm at mitchellmedia.co.uk
Mon Aug 29 16:19:22 BST 2011
Been away so not sure I'm second but...
I like the look of this and it seems to work ok (ish) in Firefox and Safari
(see below) but in IE 8 on my laptop (Win 7) the embed window overlaps the
stage see screenshot at http://mitchellmedia.co.uk/img/iYG.png
Also there is obviously a problem when the screen size option is changed but
I guess that's tricky to resolve.
As Alistair has mentioned keyboard access seems to vary...
In IE 8 I can tab around the xerte interface and then into the web page
content but once navigating the embedded content there doesn't seem to be a
quick way back to the interface again without mouse click or using shift +
tab to reverse previous tabs. I wonder if there could be a common key for
reverting back to the interface navigation?
In Firefox I can't seem to tab into the embedded content until first mouse
clicking on that content and then I can't tab back to the interface. Again
maybe there's a key or combination I'm not aware of?
More worryingly in Safari 5.1 I can't access any xerte page via keyboard
access. I can't believe that's always been the case so maybe a change in a
recent upgrade or something peculiar on my laptop?
On all the browsers when viewing the embed page example and then clicking
the TOC icon the TOC panel is appearing below the embedded content and
therefore can't be seen/accessed.
HTH
Ron
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 19 August 2011 16:07
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
I knew Alistair would be first along ;)
Ron will be second.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
Crikey there's always one awkward bugger.
;-)
Try it: http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/toolkits/play_560
You can go round the flash controls, then round the websiote, but then it
doesn't want to send the tab back round the previous frame. I think that
might be a fact of life.
From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Alistair McNaught
Sent: 19 August 2011 15:40
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
Looks really interesting. Could I tab my way into the content from Xerte or
is it mouse dependent?
A
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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 19 August 2011 15:06
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
The nerd part of me said straight away you could send feedback (some google
docs form?).
Twasn't a lot of code.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
Well worth doing that one: now you can embed any web based content, either
via embed or object code, or by a url directly into the learning object:
could refine it a bit to allow choice of size, layout, etc, but really good
for integrating all sorts of things that were clumsy to do before. Cheers
Pat.
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From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
Sent: 19 August 2011 13:33
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
delete
var close_pop_up = document.createElement("P");
close_pop_up.innerHTML = '<a
href="javascript:document.getElementById("popup_parent").removeChild(this.pa
rentNode.parentNode)>X</a>';
create_div.appendChild(close_pop_up);
I'd create a 2d array in the JS and then when a page loads send a
message to a function which then displays all popups registered in the
array - and an array_pop to the function above to handle GC
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Yes, I'm sort of finding out the issues: got a working proto on my desktop
now. First thing needed was a killPopup function... and I can add stuff to
say 'if (we have a popup) kill it before making a new one,
>
> Cheers, should be able to take it from here,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
> Sent: 19 August 2011 11:10
> To: Xerte discussion list
> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
>
> seems fine to me, but this will create multiple pop ups (might need to
> be a hard-coded - click to close) option else when you move pages.....
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Does this make sense Pat?
>>
>> function makePopUp(type,x,y,width,height,bgColour,borderColour,src)
>> {
>> //make the div and style it (we always do this)...
>> var create_div = document.createElement("DIV");
>> create_div.style.height = height + "px";
>> create_div.style.width = width + "px";
>> create_div.style.position = "absolute";
>> create_div.style.top = x + "px";
>> create_div.style.left = y + "px";
>> create_div.style.background = bgColour;
>> create_div.style.border = "1px solid " + borderColour;
>>
>> //if we make a div, set the innerHTML
>> if (type == 'div')
>> {
>> create_div.innerHTML = src;
>> }
>>
>> //else we make an iframe, so set the URL
>> if(type == 'iframe')
>> {
>> var iframe_create_div = document.createElement("IFRAME");
>> iframe_create_div.src = src;
>> iframe_create_div.style.height = height + "px";
>> iframe_create_div.style.width = width + "px";
>> create_div.appendChild(iframe_create_div);
>> }
>>
>> //we're done: append the finished div
>> document.getElementById("popup_parent").appendChild(create_div);
>> }
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat Lockley
>> Sent: 17 August 2011 18:40
>> To: Xerte discussion list
>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
>>
>> In zip modified preview_xerte_top - including fixed link for testing (and
functions and slight HTML mods)
>>
>> and modfied rloobject.js (wmode = opaque) to allow for zindex pops up
above the flash.
>>
>> DO NOT ADD TO YOUR SITE THESE ARE DEVELOPMENT VERSIONS
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Pat Lockley
<patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>> i was more thinking text focus on pop up?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Julian Tenney
>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> We can scale the div based on the stage size when the function is
called, but resizing it if the stage is resized afterwards would be pain.
Let's get a basic version working, then we can figure out the other bits and
pieces.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>>> Lockley
>>>> Sent: 17 August 2011 11:03
>>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I would make it dynamically this way you could create multiple
>>>> pop ups. And it would solve the "why can't it take this format issue".
>>>> Then I'd recode media + quota to allow for a JS pop up code block as
>>>> well?
>>>>
>>>> Might mess with the accessibility though.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Julian Tenney
>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> What happens when Joe User changes the size of the stage?
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you easily code me a makeDiv() function?
>>>>>
>>>>> makeDiv(x,y,w,h,src,draggable);
>>>>>
>>>>> x: x coord of the div;
>>>>> y: y coord of the div
>>>>> w: width of the div
>>>>> h: height of the div
>>>>> src: either the html for the div, or a url for the iframe: the
>>>>> function can decide which it is [if (src.substr(0,1) == '<' or
>>>>> similar]
>>>>> draggable: whether to all the div to be draggable or not - default
>>>>> false
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>>>> Lockley
>>>>> Sent: 17 August 2011 10:26
>>>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah, perhaps a "draggable" and or / an 'src' option which could do an
iframe?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Julian Tenney
>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> I'd wondered about a hack I'd seen somewhere else, where you can
position the div with the funny content in it over the flash movie at a
place / size of your choosing, making it appear part of the flash content
itself: then you could put up a whitepanel type page, and pop, say, a
windows media player control over the top of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would we do it? With a new page type?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Preview_xerte_top is the place for any js functions that xerte
>>>>>> calls: adding
>>>>>>
>>>>>> makeDiv(x,y,w,h,htmlSource) //does that sound the right approach?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would be easy enough...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>>>>> Lockley
>>>>>> Sent: 17 August 2011 09:58
>>>>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> J, hows about this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A bit of JS you can trigger inside the play screen which pops up a
>>>>>> div within the window itself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd guess it wouldn't be a lot to code (i'd offer) and it'd mean
>>>>>> the people with non-content would have an answer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> This will update all the templates stuff: I'm just trying to
>>>>>>> unpick from the svn logs the various changes / dependencies etc.
>>>>>>> Then you can update your templates to those in 1.6, and leave the
rest of the application as it is.
>>>>>>> Bear with me...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Matt
>>>>>>> Lingard
>>>>>>> Sent: 17 August 2011 09:29
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, thanks Julian. We've not upgraded to 1.6 yet, presumably
>>>>>>> we'd need to as well.
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll need to update some files: bear with me and I'll make a zip
>>>>>>> for you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Matt
>>>>>>> Lingard
>>>>>>> Sent: 17 August 2011 09:27
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Julian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are using the Online Toolkit and my understanding was that
>>>>>>> newWindow is not an option in this version?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by svn - I'm new to Xerte
>>>>>>> and have limited technical knowledge (not just of xerte!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Julian Tenney
>>>>>>> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the newWindow page there is an optional 'html' property. If you
>>>>>>> add that property, you can write HTML for the webpage that will
>>>>>>> open, so put your embed code in there, and it will be passed to
>>>>>>> the new window to become the newWindow's source.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you can embed whatever you want, and there's no need to move
>>>>>>> the media from its home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might need an updated newWindow model from the svn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
>>>>>>> [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Pat
>>>>>>> Lockley
>>>>>>> Sent: 16 August 2011 17:59
>>>>>>> To: Xerte discussion list
>>>>>>> Subject: [Xerte] Re: Using <embed> tag in Online Toolkit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <a href="url" target="_blank">link text</a> is the only option
>>>>>>> short of media converting
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> depends on what else you'd want to do, the xerte code lives inside
>>>>>>> a div, so you could write a popup div block of code. Inside that
>>>>>>> DIV is an iframe. Use javascript to set that iframe SRC and show the
div.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That might be a feature worth coding.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Matt Lingard
<mattlingard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks Pat. That's good to know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this case, we were hoping to keep the media on it's existing
>>>>>>>> server rather than having to copy it to our xerte server. Not
>>>>>>>> possible I'm guessing.
>>>>>>>> Matt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Pat Lockley
>>>>>>>> <patrick.lockley at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can use the media and quota tab in properties to upload any
>>>>>>>>> file, it'll then give you the HTML <a> tag for that file. Still
>>>>>>>>> a target="_blank" in there and it should open in a new window
anyways.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Matt Lingard
>>>>>>>>> <mattlingard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > From browsing back through various messages I'm pretty certain
>>>>>>>>> > the answer is "no", but just wanted to be 100% certain that
>>>>>>>>> > I'm understanding Xerte (as a newbie).
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I want to be able to embed some video in a template created
>>>>>>>>> > with the online toolkit. The code I've been supplied with is
>>>>>>>>> > an <embed> and the files are mp4. Am I correct that this is a
>>>>>>>>> > non starter? And is this because Xerte is Flash rather than
>>>>>>>>> > HTML?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > And finally, I've seen a few 'new window' solutions... is this
>>>>>>>>> > a feature of the desktop version rather than the online
>>>>>>>>> > toolkit?
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>>>>>> > Matt
>>>>>>>>> >
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