[Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page wizardstoincorporaterecent changes to pageTemplates rlm files

Wed Sep 15 14:18:21 BST 2010

At some point I will do, yes. It takes a while to rebuild everything and
make sure everything is up to date, so bear with me,

J

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Johnathan
Sent: 15 September 2010 14:10
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Subject: Re: [Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page
wizardstoincorporaterecent changes to pageTemplates rlm files

Do you have any plans to update the Xerte setup.exe download from the
main web site so as to incorporate your changes into the Xerte release,
any time soon?

Up to now I have kept the page wizards up to date by downloading the
latest version of Xerte and then creating a page templates project and
comparing the files in the project, using winDiff, to the previous
release of Xerte. I would find that much easier than downloading a
number of separate updates. It ensures that my build of Xerte has all
the files it needs to support the models e.g. if there have been changes
in the build itself or in related swf or fla files.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 15 September 2010 13:29, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

They are in the Xerte repo at code.google.com/p/xerte

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Johnathan
Sent: 15 September 2010 13:25
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Subject: Re: [Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page
wizardstoincorporate recent changes to pageTemplates rlm files

Sorry about the delay in testing.

I have included your modified rlm file details in the page wizard and
the issue with premature feedback display appears to be fixed.

I took a look in the svn but this shows an upload date of June 2009. I
also downloaded the latest Xerte today but the models appear unchanged
from those I downloaded on July 28th.

Can you tell me where I can access the latest page templates project
template files that contain the updated files for the pages that you
were going to fix, as discussed above, so that I can finalise my next
release of page wizards.

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 2 September 2010 16:50, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

Fixed it. See attached. At least I can't break it anymore by following
your instructions...

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Johnathan

Sent: 02 September 2010 11:34

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Subject: Re: [Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page wizards
toincorporate recent changes to pageTemplates rlm files 

Hello Julian,

I have just created a new project using the current version of Xerte
(downloaded last night) and created a gap fill page to test.

Display of the feedback at an incorrect time does not happen often but I
have managed to create a sequence of events that appears duplicable.

Create a new pageTemplates based project, add a gap fill page and a
title page (the latter may not be critical to the test, but I was also
trying out the effect of returning to the page during my tests, so
needed a second page).

In the gap fill page wizard set interactivity to drag drop and mark the
gap fill text as in the example below. 

Now preview the page and in this order:

1.      drag "right-click" to its correct location, 

2.      drag word to its correct location, 

3.      Do not drag "menu" to its correct location. 

4.      Now left click on the right-click correct location and the
feedback will be displayed, 

5.      left click again on this location and the feedback will
disappear.

I was also able to duplicate the displacement of the mouse pointer from
the dragged word by dropping a word on an incorrect place marker and
then attempting to catch the word by clicking on it as it was returning
to its start location. The only way I could release the word so that I
could pick it up properly was to click on another word. This is probably
not a major issue as the only time it would prove problematic was if you
managed to pick up the last available word in this way, and to do so you
would be being somewhat perverse as by then its correct location should
be obvious.

With respect to the column page. I tried to acheive a situation where
the picture was constrained by the column width and the text area was
then sized to fit the space remaining in the column. This would have
preserved the aspect ratio of the picture and allowed for different
sized pictures to leave space for as large a text area as would be
allowed by the picture size. It would then be for the user to select
pictures sensibly and make size adjustments if necessary in the event of
wanting to use a very tall and slim picture. But I couldn't get this to
work. 

I downloaded Xerte last night and the models appear to be the same as
those I downloaded on the 28th July. 

Where can I gain access to your updated models?

Kind regards

Johnathan

On 1 September 2010 11:28, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

	Just worked through these - thanks for the info:

	'Links' is fixed.

	Files only consume one .css file, but individual text icons can
consume their own .css if need be.

	Morph Image is fixed.

	Categories is amended - thanks.

	Column page: it works the way it always has done, in that it
will try and fit the text to the page, and the image in whatever space
remains. If more text exists than can be displayed, it fails. This was
always a FOL, but it should probably behave better: questions is, what
should it do, and at what point does the scrolling text kick in (when
the image occupies less than half the space? Less than one third?)

	Can you tell me how to reliably replicate the gap fill issue
with feedback? I can't replicate it in my example. I haven't added a
'show me' button yet, but can easily do that.

	J

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Johnathan

	Sent: 25 August 2010 14:07

	To: Xerte discussion list

	Subject: [Xerte] [Xerte 2] Issues whilst updating page wizards
to incorporate recent changes to pageTemplates rlm files

	Hello Julian,

	I downloaded the latest Xerte 2 in July and have been working on
the updates to the rlm files to create new page wizards for Links and
MorphImages.

	I have hit a few issues with some of the pages. Blue items are
issues that you may wish to look at in the pageTemplates version, Red
issues are currently preventing me from releasing an updated wizard so
any help you can offer would be most appreciated. Green issues are
requests for features.

	Links

	*         The pageTemplates version xml needs changing as it
sets the default height of the links to "medium" but the code uses
numerical values. This corrects itself when you change the height in the
wizard but the default xml needs to replace the height value of "medium"
with "80".

	*         There appears to be a bug in the links template.
Create a new links page and make it the second page in your project.
Leave the default column setting of 3 and add one link. At this point
you can preview and go back and forward between pages 1 and 2 without
problem. Now open the Link page wizard and add a second link. Then
preview the project and go back and forward between pages 1 and 2. You
should now see a third undefined link displayed, which is not reflected
in the xml. Add a fourth column and you should be able to generate a
fourth undefined link by going back and forward between pages 1 and 2.

	*         I figured out how to add a style sheet to a project so
that the links would show as underlined. However I note that in the
Xerte page templates projects there are two style sheets in the common
folder "styles.css" and "wikistyles.css". Is there a way by which a
Xerte project can consume more than one css file? 

	MorphImage

	*         The pagetemplates version fails to display tooltips -
there is an incorrect reference on the image icons and no tooltip
property in the wizard. 

	*         I have modified the Page Wizard version to provide for
specification of tooltips for image 1 and image 2 and to also allow
images to extend to fill more of the page if it is a larger image.
(maxWidth to 600 in calculate script attached to onLoadGraphic1 so as to
allow more space for larger pictures, also I reduced the height of the
text icon with id of "textBlock" to 440 as otherwise a large amount of
text can displace the Zoom buttons position onto the bottom
configuration selections.

	Categories

	*         This no longer makes any use of labelHeight so this
can be removed from the xwd and xml files.

	ColumnPage

	*         Not sure what the two lines of changes are intended to
do (lines 63 and 64). The page still appears to have a problem with
sizing the text area of the column so that pictures remain on screen and
the text auto scrolls within the remaining space available for the text.
I tried to find create a fix for this but ended up with text areas that
fitted the available space but the displayed text font size had shrunk
to enable the text to all fit in, rather than auto scrolling.

	GapFill

	*         This page appears to present feedback inconsistently
when in drag and drop mode. I found this to also be an issue with the
previous version of the rml when I went back to test it. In the drag and
drop mode feedback is sometimes displayed on partial completion of the
exercise, or may be displayed only then to disappear. I also found that
sometimes with the new model the word would become displaced from the
mouse pointer, but still being dragged around. I think this happened
when it somehow got reattached to the mouse pointer whilst returning to
its start position after an incorrect drop. I could not duplicate this
in the earlier version of the rml. 

	*         When in fill in gap mode It would also be helpful if
there was some way out of the exercise i.e. a way of giving up and
seeing the correct answers. Currently you just keep making guesses. 

	Kind regards

	Johnathan

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