[Xerte] Adding from other applications

Tue Feb 2 15:39:41 GMT 2010

Thanks.

1.       I don't really mind, but Page Tempaltes is the name of the main
template,s o probably best to avoid that. Component? Page wizard?

2.       2. Use the info node to add help to a wizard form:

  <buttonNav menu="Navigators" menuItem="Button Navigator"
icon="icButtonBar" remove="true" thumb="thumbs/butNav.jpg"
hint="Presents a series of pages of related text and graphical content
controlled using a navigation bar.">

    <name type="TextInput" label="Page Title"/>

    <text type="TextArea" height="250" label="Text"/>

    <panelWidth type="ComboBox" label="Panel Width"
options="Small,Medium,Large,Full" width="100"/>

    <buttonWidth type="NumericStepper" min="20" max="250" step="10"
label="Button Width" width="100"/>

    <narration type="media" label="Narration" optional="true"/>

    <newNodes>

      <nestedPage><![CDATA[<nestedPage name="name" text="Content for the
pane" align="Top"/>]]></nestedPage>

    </newNodes>

  <info><![CDATA[Here is help for the end users]]></info>

  </buttonNav>

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Johnathan
Kemp
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:27 PM
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: RE: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

I have downloaded the latest version of Xerte 2.10 and have tested the
support for Page Wizards.

With respect to the issues mentioned in the wiki article on Page Wizards
my tests confirm the following

*         Some means of specifying in the xwd file a menu structure for
the page wizards so that they can be grouped, with support in Xerte to
utilise this. At present they display as one long list. 

	Xerte is now picking up the names of folders contained within
the wizard folder, that contain .xcp files and using these to provide an
effective menu structure, by displaying the folder names under the Xerte
Templates menu. :-)

*         A means of specifying a thumbnail image in the xwd file, to be
included in the xcp file, with support in Xerte to utilise this. 

	I know that there is scope in the xwd file to add a hint and a
thumbnail, but would xerte be able to make any use of it, given that you
want the hint and the thumbnail to help you to pick the wizard, yet the
xwd file is not consumed until you have made your selection, created the
new wizard based page and then opened the page wizards form? So I am
guessing this one may not be possible?

*         A means of handling duplicated swf files so that the swf files
required by a page wizard could be included in the xcp file (at present
it is necessary to create a "common" folder manually and copy all the
files from a pageTemplates project into it.) 

	The swf files needed by a page wizard can now be packaged as
part of the xcp file and correctly copy into the projects "common"
folder when the page wizard is used in the project. I am not sure what
happens, when a swf already exists in the common folder (whether it
copies over the existing swf or is not copied to the common folder), but
as the swfs should not be modified on a wizard by wizard basis (unless
they are unique to that wizard) this should not pose a problem. As you
identified in another posting there is always the option if you are
using a different version, than the project standard version to keep it
out of the common folder. :-)

	The issue of referencing using
pageIcon.templateData.learningObject[0].wizardName[0] This is currently
necessary, as I can find no other way of getting the rlm file to
correctly access the data in the xml file. However Julian suggested it
might not be the best way of doing things. 

	This was only an issue if you were not happy doing it this way,
so I'll just remove the reference to it from the wiki page.

	A means of changing the displayed icon properties to those of
the page wizard, rather than the Interface icon, once a page wizard
based page has been added, e.g. after sequence of add new wizard based
page / open wizard / edit then close wizard. 

	This works a treat :-)

Many thanks for implementing the changes. I have now repackaged all my
wizards so that they include the swf files and come in a set of folders
to match the grouping used in the page templates project template.

Before I finalise the documentation and republish the page wizards
(including a none scorm version of the new Inventory wizard. Can I check
a couple of things

1. I have used the term page wizards to try to avoid confusion with the
Page Templates project wide template. Are you happy with this or would
you prefer to use the term "Page Templates" and risk the confusion, or
suggest a name that the project would prefer to use. I will wait for an
answer before I finalise my documentation, so that I can use the term
you prefer.

2.Based on an earlier posting I understand that page wizards will not be
included in the official release. It may also be that other people will
start to add their own page wizards to the Xerte community. Would it be
useful / possible to have a second tab on the xwd driven form, that
would enable the inclusion of instructions for using the wizard and some
versioning information. This might help in the maintenance of the
wizards by identifying who is responsible for them. At present I have
included my initials in the titles, but that feels somewhat
inappropriate when all I have done is to modify code developed by other
far more competent developers. However it is at present the easiest way
for me to identify that a posting is referring to something that I am
maintaining.

Kind regards

Johnathan

Johnathan Kemp
ICT Development Coordinator
Connexions Staffordshire
www.cxstaffs.co.uk <http://www.cxstaffs.co.uk/> 
01785 355714

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From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] 
Sent: 28 January 2010 13:57
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Subject: RE: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

Folders are added - get the altest version and try it out.

Thumbnail I've not had time to test

Common files are copied to the project's common folder

Don't worry for now about that path in the data - there might be abetter
way of doing it, but I've not had a chance to think about it

The new page ought to now be selected?

Can you test and let me know what happens?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:38 AM
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: RE: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

>Some means of specifying in the xwd file a menu structure for the page
wizards so that they can be grouped, with support in Xerte to utilise
this. At present they display as one long list. How about if they were
stored in various folders in the wizards folder? The xerte menu would
have a top level section for each folder, then the contents of each
folder displayed? That would also work quite well with inno if you use
that to distribute them, and could just install a whole folder full of
templates.

>A means of specifying a thumbnail image in the xwd file, to be included
in the xcp file, with support in Xerte to utilise this. 
Doesn't this work?

>A means of handling duplicated swf files so that the swf files required
by a page wizard could be included in the xcp file (at present it is
necessary to create a "common" folder manually and copy all the files
from a pageTemplates project into it.) 
I think I handled this at some poiint, I'll check

>The issue of referencing using
pageIcon.templateData.learningObject[0].wizardName[0] This is currently
necessary, as I can find no other way of getting the rlm file to
correctly access the data in the xml file. However Julian suggested it
might not be the best way of doing things. 
Hmm. Not sure what I was thinking there, as that's how I do it.

>A means of changing the displayed icon properties to those of the page
wizard, rather than the Interface icon, once a page wizard based page
has been added, e.g. after sequence of add new wizard based page / open
wizard / edit then close wizard. 
OK

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Johnathan
Kemp
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:13 AM
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Subject: RE: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

The list of issues is at the bottom of the wiki page for page wizards

http://wiki.xerte.net/index.php5?title=Page_wizards

Kind regards

Johnathan

Johnathan Kemp
ICT Development Coordinator
Connexions Staffordshire
www.cxstaffs.co.uk <http://www.cxstaffs.co.uk/> 
01785 355714

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From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] 
Sent: 28 January 2010 09:43
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Subject: RE: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

The media interactions stuff is for Xerte 2.x / Toolkits.

In some ways I'd prefer for xcps to be distributed by their developers -
they just need adding to the wizards folder, and inno setup can make a
setup utility that will push them into the right folder on a Xerte
user's machine automatically.

There were some things we were going to do to Xerte to make it better
support them - do you still have a list?

J

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Johnathan
Kemp
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:29 AM
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Subject: RE: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

A few of the page wizards may be worth looking at as sources for
modifications to, or additional, Page Templates.xtp pages.

I am just in the process of completing an inventory page wizard (xcp
file).

This is a reworking of the quiz and chart page wizards that offers the
following features.

*         multiple choice questions

*         single or more than one answer - like the quiz page template

*         you can define up to 10 classes, e.g. Visual, Auditory,
Kinaesthetic.

*         answers are not correct or incorrect, but are assigned to an
appropriate class 

*         answers can have a score from 0 to 5 - (allowing the asking of
questions answered by strongly agree to strongly disagree with points
between)

*         scoring totals up the scores for each class and can be
presented in three different ways a) absolute i.e. the sum of the scores
for each class; individual percent i.e. the percentage score for each
class based on the maximum possible score for that class; relative
percent i.e. the individual percent scores adjusted so that they total
100% when all added together.

*         The results can then be displayed as a bar chart, pie chart or
line graph (the latter is probably the least appropriate)

You might also want to look at the page wizard jk Hot Spot Image Sound
which is based on the hot spot page template but adds the capability to
add sound files to each hot spot and to select whether hot spot text
should be displayed (great for interactive mind maps). This wizard could
be even better if it had a user option to select between text or audio
for each hotspot, but I have not had time to program this in.

The page wizard jk Flash Paper Text adds the option of including a text
description to be displayed beside the flash paper window.

The changes needed to convert a page wizard (.xcp) file to become part
of  the Page Templates.xtp file should be relatively straight forward
for someone familiar with the page templates template.

I am assuming you are referring to developments of Xerte 2.n and not
Xerte 3.

If that is the case is there any possibility that the developments that
you are seeking to complete by the end of Feb might include the
improvements to the handling of page wizard (xcp) files, so that xcp
files can become part of the official Xerte release?

Kind regards

Johnathan

Johnathan Kemp
ICT Development Coordinator
Connexions Staffordshire
www.cxstaffs.co.uk <http://www.cxstaffs.co.uk/> 
01785 355714

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From: Julian Tenney [mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk] 
Sent: 27 January 2010 16:59
To: Xerte discussion list
Subject: RE: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

Ahh. So you want it to match correctly when you enter 'typed' or 'was
typing'. I see. To my simple mind 'was typing' is two words, so couldn't
possibly be the right answer...

You can play around with it right now in the standalone verison - that
cotnains files last touche on 22 Jan. There is a bit of messing around
to do to get things working smoothly and finish it off - and I'm open to
ideas for new interactions if you have any. I want it finished by end of
Feb.

The idea is that the piece is centred around a piece of media, and then
a series of interactions. The media is visible throughout. 

Any feedback ata ll would be good right now,

Thanks,

J

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[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Hall C.M.
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:54 PM
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Subject: RE: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

I'm teaching EFL. The problem I have is the choice of answer is between,
for example,  worked/ was working. When I've tried to make two word gaps
Xerte objects L If I put two gaps it gives the answer away. I've tried
using underscores and dashes but that's not really ideal.

The new templates sound interesting. When will they be available?

Chris

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 January 2010 16:06
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Subject: RE: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

I did some work recently on the gap fill exercise to allow parts of
words to be marked up for gaps - previously you could only mark up whole
words. What's a 'two- gap word'?

There is also a new template pretty much finished designed with modern
languages teaching in mind - what are you teaching?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Hall C.M.
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

My original question was about adding a Hot Potatoes Gap Fill to a Xerte
package in order to get round the problem of two-word gaps in Xerte. Eg
adding a Hot Potatoes page like a Google map but it doesn't seem
possible other than as a link. Not sure how SCORM is relevant either.

Chris

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 27 January 2010 15:51
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I'm not sure how SCORM is relevant?

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Yuping Jin
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:45 PM
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Is this expected by SCORM compliant LMS? To play other SCORM contents or
leverage them? I mean I'm not sure what kind of interoperability can be
obtained by complying to SCORM. Is it expected to insert SCORM content
from other product into Xerte piece?
Any point would be appreciated! 

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Julian Tenney
<Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:

No, but you can create links to them from a Xerte piece,

From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
[mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Hall C.M.
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:32 PM

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Subject: [Xerte] Adding from other applications

Hi,

This might seem a strange question but Is it possible to add activities
from other applications, Hot Potatoes for example, to Xerte or Xerte
Toolkits?

Chris Hall

e-Learning Support Officer

Swansea University

http://learninglab.swan.ac.uk <http://learninglab.swan.ac.uk/>  

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