[Xerte] Inclusion of close captions onvideofiles anduseofplaylists

Wed Apr 22 21:07:13 BST 2009

Probably not the most elegant, but could you loop parse for the last element in the xml?

> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:46:07 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Xerte] Inclusion of close captions onvideofiles 	anduseofplaylists
> From: worldradiolabs at gmail.com
> To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Captions not always working.
> 
> Thanks Julian for making this timedtext sample- it gave me a great
> start for captioning some videos but in testing on the server I ran
> into an issue-  the captions don't always display if the user starts
> the video playing before the xml file is loaded. If I wait for the
> video to download first, the captions work fine. On the local machine
> I did not run into this issue- perhaps the solution is obvious and
> I've overlooked it?
> 
> How may I ensure the XML file loads first?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Bill Laakkonen
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Julian Tenney
> <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> > I need to understand more about the timedText standard that the close
> > caption files the JW player use are based on. timedText seems to be an
> > emerging standard for marking up text with synching information. It's
> > attractive because hopefully there will be other tools available that
> > can handle the marking up and creation of the files, and possibly
> > services such as translation made available by other parties. I built a
> > very simple mockup of the basics yesterday:
> >
> > http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~cczjrt/timedText.zip
> >
> > Which shows how to load an xml file (the timedText.xml) and use the
> > information in it to set up cue points in the .flv, and then respond to
> > those events and show the appropriate piece of text. You'll need to
> > reinstall Xerte from the website to make this work as I made a small
> > change to the engine to better handle the events from the Movie icon.
> >
> > The example shows how easy - and simple - this is to do in Xerte. There
> > are 8 lines of code.
> >
> > There's a bit to do to fully support timedText though as it has a number
> > of ways of marking up the synching information, and can support multiple
> > simulataneous captions, and probably quite a bit more. Maybe this gives
> > folk something to start with,
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Johnathan
> > Kemp
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:16 AM
> > To: ea at emptech.info; Xerte discussion list
> > Subject: RE: [Xerte] Inclusion of close captions onvideofiles
> > anduseofplaylists
> >
> > Regarding a comparison of the accessibility of the JWFLV player as
> > compared to the player in Xerte, you may well be right regarding
> > keyboard users, I would not claim to be an expert regarding
> > accessibility issues. One of the many attractions for me of Xerte are
> > the accessibility features that are built in to it.
> >
> > I have a requirement for taking video footage of interviews and editing
> > the footage down into discrete chunks that demonstrate different stages
> > of the interview, e.g. introducing yourself, contracting, challenging,
> > summarising etc. By using play lists I could re-use the chunks in
> > different learning objects, e.g. one object could deliver a complete
> > interview, another different examples of contracting, etc.
> >
> > My current very limited knowledge of Flash and my previous experience of
> > using the JWFLV player tended me towards a solution that would enable
> > the JWFLV player to be called in Xerte and passed the play list which in
> > turn would identify the FLV files and close caption files to include.
> > Any solution that provided a similar capability in Xerte would be
> > wonderful.
> >
> > I am in the middle of launching a Company wide VLE based on Moodle at
> > the moment. Hopefully when this settles down I will get a chance to look
> > at the recent work that Julian has put into enhancing the FLV player in
> > Xerte. However I have to stress my Flash skills are limited, though I
> > think having now discovered Xerte the case for my getting to know Flash
> > is now overwhelming.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Johnathan
> >
> >
> > Johnathan Kemp
> > IT Dev. Manager
> > Connexions Staffordshire
> > www.cxstaffs.co.uk
> > 01785 355714
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of E.A. Draffan
> > Sent: 23 March 2009 20:52
> > To: 'Xerte discussion list'
> > Subject: RE: [Xerte] Inclusion of close captions on videofiles
> > anduseofplaylists
> >
> > Sorry to ask but are you sure JWPlayer will be as accessible as the
> > XERTE option from the point of view of a keyboard users?  We have had to
> > add HTML tags to make sure it is accessible in all browsers such as
> > Firefox, Opera, Google Chrome and Safari. The keyboard access works in
> > Internet Explorer but not always in the other browsers. See example
> > http://www.lexdis.org/strategy/62  Our method of handling the difficulty
> > is fairly basic but I am not sure if there is another option at the
> > moment.  I know folks in Washington University have been looking at the
> > same issue.
> >
> > Best wishes E.A.
> >
> > Mrs E.A. Draffan
> > Learning Societies Lab,
> > ECS, University of Southampton,
> > Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246
> > http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk
> > http://www.emptech.info
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> > Sent: 23 March 2009 12:12
> > To: Xerte discussion list
> > Subject: RE: [Xerte] Inclusion of close captions on video files
> > anduseofplaylists
> >
> > Yes, it could be done, I am sure. I'd be happy to provide some support
> > to ayone wanting to have  go at it, but I'm a bit busy to take it on
> > myself at the minute. Presumably if you could play FLVs and give them
> > captions etc, you woulnd't need the JW player? Just build a similar
> > solution in Xerte?
> > There would be little point in recreating the JW player, if that's all
> > that's required, but if you wanted to integrate more sophisticated FLV
> > support with alll the other features of Xerte then it might be worth it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ulimately what would be great is to have a 'captionFile' property on the
> > Movie icon, point it to a caption file, and then have the movie icon
> > fire an onCaption event everytime a new caption point is encountered.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Johnathan
> > Kemp
> > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 12:03 PM
> > To: Xerte discussion list
> > Subject: RE: [Xerte] Inclusion of close captions on video files
> > anduseofplaylists
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Julian,
> >
> >
> >
> > The JWFLV video player uses an xml configuration file, an xml playlist
> > file (which identifies the flv file and the close caption file to play
> > for each entry in the playlist) and separate xml close caption files
> > which are in a format unique to the JWFLV player. The makers of the
> > jwflv player supply a module that can be loaded into subtitle workshop
> > (free software) to generate the close captions in the necessary format.
> > If you have other software e.g. aegissub (also free, but which I found
> > easier to use than subtitle workshop) then you can output close caption
> > files in the .ass format. Subtitle workshop can import these and then
> > convert them to JWFLV format.
> >
> >
> >
> > >From what you say I suspect it would be achievable to call the jwflv
> >>player
> > from within xerte.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have been able to set up both coldfusion code and php code to call the
> > flvplayer and pass it the necessary parameters, so I guess it is now
> > down to my improving my action scripting and understanding of Xerte.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am looking forward to your forthcoming online tutorial on Friday 3rd.
> > I may not be able to be there live, but there's always the recording :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Johnathan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Johnathan Kemp
> > IT Dev. Manager
> > Connexions Staffordshire
> > www.cxstaffs.co.uk <http://www.cxstaffs.co.uk/>
> > 01785 355714
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
> > Sent: 20 March 2009 10:27
> > To: Xerte discussion list
> > Subject: RE: [Xerte] Inclusion of close captions on video files and
> > useofplaylists
> >
> > The play list is just an xml file, so Xerte could easily enough load it
> > and create a list of items, that when clicked loaded and flv into the
> > player.
> >
> >
> >
> > Synching up the display of captions to the playback of the video would
> > mean tracking the current playhead time in the video and showing the
> > caption. I assume that the caption file is also xml, something like
> > this:
> >
> >
> >
> > <captions>
> >
> >  <caption time="00:12"><![CDATA[Here is a caption</caption>
> >
> > </captions>
> >
> >
> >
> > Which is all the inforamtion you'd need to also support them,
> >
> >
> >
> > From: xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > [mailto:xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Johnathan
> > Kemp
> > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:14 PM
> > To: xerte at lists.nottingham.ac.uk
> > Subject: [Xerte] Inclusion of close captions on video files and use
> > ofplaylists
> >
> >
> >
> > Prior to looking at Xerte I have been experimenting with the jwflv
> > player, which is free for non-commercial use and has a modest licence
> > fee for commercial use.
> >
> >
> >
> > This is flash based and allows for the playing of flv files, with
> > support for the use of playlists and close caption files.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is there any support within Xerte for the use of playlists or close
> > caption files?
> >
> >
> >
> > If not has anyone looked at the possibility of calling the jwflv player
> > from within Xerte?
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Johnathan
> >
> >
> >
> > Johnathan Kemp
> > IT Dev. Manager
> > Connexions Staffordshire
> > www.cxstaffs.co.uk <http://www.cxstaffs.co.uk/>
> > 01785 355714
> >
> >
> >
> >
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