[Xerte] problem importing xerte scorm package into moodle

Jude Clark jude.clark at gmail.com
Fri Aug 22 15:26:02 BST 2008 

sorry Julian - i don't wish to be pedantic but how else could i read this:

*If you don't write code yet, you will be able to use Xerte to integrate
text, graphics, animations, sounds and video, create simple interactivity,
and deliver it in an accessible interface. Content can be SCORM compliant
for delivery in any LMS or VLE. *
to me that sounded exactly what i wanted ...

2008/8/22 Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>

>  We've always been quite clear that Xerte is a tool for developers, who
> write some code. It is not in our interests to mislead people and we
> certainly don't intend to. The overview page of the website makes this quite
> clear I think. I'm sorry your expectations were somehow different.
>
> Julian
>
> ------------------------------
>  *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Jude Clark
> *Sent:* Fri 22/08/2008 15:05
>
> *To:* Xerte discussion list
> *Subject:* Re: [Xerte] problem importing xerte scorm package into moodle
>
>    now i'm too frustrated for words but i'm going to try and explain
> becaus ei think feedback is useful.
>
> i am not a developer but i did not think xerte was a developer tool - i
> thought it was an content authoring tool and thats what i do - author
> content.
>
> i have now tried to change the size of the display - it won't let me amend
> the bit of code - i guess some form f pretection on the file.
>
> so i thought i'll try again and choose scorm 1.2 package from the options
> see if i get better luck with everything - then i realise that the files i
> have created using the template wizerd are not .rlo and so i do appear to be
> able to open them in the main xerte AI to be able to package as scorm 1.2.
> without the wizerd xerte would be too time consuming for us to get content
> out - because we are looking for a very quick treatment of our content for
> output - not a development timeframe of days for one object.
> heck - i've done my best but i suggest you change the wording on the
> website - this appears to me to be more of a developers tool than a rapid
> course authoring tool for people like me who just want a tool to create
> content and package it simply.
>
> from your website:
>
>  *If you don't write code yet, you will be able to use Xerte to integrate
> text, graphics, animations, sounds and video, create simple interactivity,
> and deliver it in an accessible interface. Content can be SCORM compliant
> for delivery in any LMS or VLE. *
>
>
>
> grrrhhhhh feeling very frustrated that i have now spent best part of two
> days faffing with this for nothing - i so wanted it to work because i liked
> the way the templates looked and what it said it delivered
>
> Jude
>
> 2008/8/22 Jude Clark <jude.clark at gmail.com>
>
>>  i'm surprised - but i do understand what you are suggesting - however
>> this level of coding/config is out of the question (even if i could
>> challenge my little brain to do it) because the company involved has no-one
>> who would then be able to take this over to continue.
>>
>> we need something which just works within moodle without custom coding  -
>> while course template level customisations would have been ok individual
>> customisations/coding on courses would be prohibtive - if that makes sense
>>
>>   2008/8/22 Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>>
>>>  In theory, saving the data is straightforward. Throughout a quiz, you
>>> keep score in a variable called score. When you want to set the value of
>>> score in the LMS, you use the script
>>>
>>> _level0.setValue('cmi.core.score.raw', score);
>>>
>>> This assumes that the variable score contains the value you want to set
>>> in the LMS. You'll need some script thoughout the quiz, to judge questions,
>>> and if correct, increment score.
>>>
>>> Similarly to get the score if the user return to the quiz you can use
>>>
>>> lastScore = _level0.getValue('cmi.core.score.raw');
>>>
>>> The scripting you use to manage the score throughout the quiz is likely
>>> to be more complicated than the simple calls to set and get the values from
>>> the LMS.
>>>
>>> You will need to get familiar with the SCORM documentation, and it would
>>> be worthwhile installing the test suite for the version of SCORM your LMS
>>> suports (last time I looked, Moodle claimed to support 2004, but in reality
>>> it didn't when I tested it).
>>>
>>> I know there are others on the list here with good knowledge of the SCORM
>>> who can also help and advise.
>>>
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>  *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Jude Clark
>>> *Sent:* Fri 22/08/2008 12:51
>>>
>>> *To:* Xerte discussion list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Xerte] problem importing xerte scorm package into moodle
>>>
>>>    thanks i will try the stage size thing
>>>
>>> regarding the code - no its not a show stopper if its something that i do
>>> once per course/object and if its not too complex.
>>>
>>> I am working for a company who have a large number of legacy
>>> (face2face/written) courses/content which they are going to
>>> convert/republish as scorm objects in moodle - I am more of an instructional
>>> designer than a developer and so i know what we want to achieve and i am
>>> happy to learn to use a tool to create what we want - but the development
>>> time per course is critical - and they don't have an in house developer
>>> (because there are no other developer requirements in the company) - thats
>>> why i am exploring a range of different tools - to see which will deliver
>>> the professional output we want - sit happily in moodle - give us a bit of
>>> data back for tracking and with shortest learning curve for me and whoever i
>>> have to teach this process to in the company.
>>> :)
>>>
>>> Jude
>>> 2008/8/22 Julian Tenney <Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>
>>>
>>>>  You can determine the size of the learningObject by setting the
>>>> stageSize property on the Learning Object icon, i.e. to 550,400, and then
>>>> re-publish the files.
>>>>
>>>> To exchange data with an LMS you will need to write some code. Is that a
>>>> showstopper for you? We can help you, but before we get stuck in, it would
>>>> be useful to know if you want to proceed down that road, and what it is you
>>>> want to achieve.
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Patrick
>>>> Lockley
>>>> *Sent:* Fri 22/08/2008 11:02
>>>> *To:* Xerte discussion list
>>>> *Subject:* RE: [Xerte] problem importing xerte scorm package into
>>>> moodle
>>>>
>>>>    Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing from the emails (not sent to the list) you are using
>>>> templates.
>>>>
>>>> As such the div which holds the template and affects the way the rlo
>>>> will appear on the screen will be the same size as the rlo. You could set
>>>> the style to have the style scrollable, (style="overflow:scroll") and then
>>>> make the div smaller, but I suspect it would look awful.
>>>>
>>>> No idea on the metadata sorry.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>  ------------------------------
>>>>  *From:* xerte-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk on behalf of Jude Clark
>>>> *Sent:* Fri 22/08/2008 10:33
>>>> *To:* Xerte discussion list
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Xerte] problem importing xerte scorm package into
>>>> moodle
>>>>
>>>>  i have two new issues and i would really like to figure these out
>>>> because i really want to use xerte
>>>>
>>>> 1. the display size of a the scorm object produced is too big for moodle
>>>> and the the moodle settings do not appear to have any effect on over-riding
>>>> this. Can i change the display size of the scorm package easily or not?
>>>>
>>>> 2) because i'm not a techy i cannot see easily what meta data is
>>>> exchanged - in other authoring tools i am trialing i can choose what data i
>>>> want to exchange (not sure of the correct terminology here) - someone on
>>>> here said that there are issues with xerte 'talking to' some LMS - can
>>>> someone help me on this - i need to know what level of data i can expect my
>>>> scorm object built in xerte to exachange easily (without going to code level
>>>> writing) with moodle - for example i would like it to report assessment
>>>> scores from within a scorm, not just started, completed level data. - does
>>>> that make sense?
>>>>
>>>> 3) does anyone know of anyone who is using xerte to create scorm objects
>>>> for moodle??
>>>>
>>>> many thanks
>>>>
>>>> Jude - feeling a bit blonde with all of this :)
>>>>
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