[Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Fri Jul 17 12:14:19 BST 2015

Sorting the layout is still problematic.

I'm starting to think the central panel is creating more layout issues than the usability it resolves. Should we consider either rethinking where you get the summary information from, and losing that central panel?

I would like to be able to

-          Put the buttons in the header of the left panel; put the sort and search in the footer.

-          Insist that the left panel can never get to narrow to display those correctly

-          Perhaps the project templates panel should always be a fixed width, let the projects pane take the rest.

Is this worth talking through and getting some agreement before we start changing anything else? Time is running through my fingers here and I'm not achieving very much.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 17 July 2015 12:03
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Duh.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 17 July 2015 11:58
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Has to be caching. It fires for me.
Op 17-7-2015 om 12:56 schreef Julian Tenney:
Which is where I've worked my way to, but still can't get this alert to fire

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 17 July 2015 11:52
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Strange, because it's really called on line 609
Caching?
Op 17-7-2015 om 12:48 schreef Julian Tenney:
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 17 July 2015 11:47
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Yeah, I found it, not sure what happened there. If I make the first line of that function an alert("setting"); it never fires (at least I never see the alert).

Where do I set the initial sizes / percentages, and a minimum width?

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 17 July 2015 11:44
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Line 618?

Some of the static values set in setupMainLayout are overridden by dynamicResize()
Op 17-7-2015 om 12:41 schreef Julian Tenney:
If I search for 'dynamicResize' in  that file, nothing is found.

There appear to be a load of settings for initialising the layout, but changing them doesn't appear to make any difference to anything, in setupMainLayout().

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reijnders
Sent: 17 July 2015 11:35
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Look at dynamicResize in website_code/scripts/screen_display.js
Op 17-7-2015 om 12:14 schreef Ron Mitchell:
While you're searching ;-) try to find where the extra slash is added which breaks the bootstrap media links https://github.com/thexerteproject/xerteonlinetoolkits/issues/352

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 17 July 2015 11:06
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

This is where time just disappears for me trying to do this stuff, I have to resort to searching for class names in all the files to find references, and then try and unpick what's doing what and all I want to do is set three minimum widths and three initial widths. That should be six lines of code, preferably in the same place, and it should take two minutes to change. Here I am an hour later...

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Fay Cross
Sent: 17 July 2015 11:04
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

I don't think anything's minified (but I also don't know my way around the workspace stuff to advise where to change stuff either)
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk>] on behalf of Julian Tenney [Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Julian.Tenney at nottingham.ac.uk>]
Sent: 17 July 2015 11:00
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout
Fair dos.

I'm not sure whether the jquery layout stuff has source files, and then a minified runtime file? I can find some setup info, but changing anything doesn't change anything.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 17 July 2015 10:59
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Not sure without looking. Busy with something more urgent right now but can have a look later if you haven't found it by then.
Want to test Fay's additions too but non-xerte stuff to finish first. :-(

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 17 July 2015 10:50
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Do you know how to set the initial width of the panels?

Can we apply a minimum width to prevent folk making it too narrow? (less important)

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 17 July 2015 10:36
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Aside from closing the 6 issues we currently have on github flagged as v3 release personally I think the most important thing with this is getting a panel of logos complete with links in the footer somewhere. I don't think your solution of adding the OSI logo alongside the Apereo logo top right is the right solution for 2 reasons:

1. The vast majority of organisations using Xerte that I know of (and I'm sure Tom echos this) want their own logo either top right or top left. We have a built-in solution for that but it means one or other of the 'official' logos get removed.

2. Ideally I think we want each of the logos to also link off to the relevant site pages.

The CSS isn't right, especially the logos, but something like this?
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 17 July 2015 09:16
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Not sure authoring on phones is viable though? My Asus transformer has 800 px width; the iPad 750, which ought to be plenty. Do we want to progress looking at this before we release the code? I'm happy to do the work, but find it a bit slow picking through the code / implications for languages, and I'm a bit time limited over the next few weeks.

Perhaps make it a 3.1 thing and get concentrate on getting v3.0 out the door

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 July 2015 17:06
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

> How wide is portrait view on a tablet?<
What tablet? ;-)
Attached is a screenshot from my iPad - appears to be 1536px wide in Portrait view. But I suspect the lowest common denominator is less than that. e.g.

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http://www.websitedimensions.com/pixel/

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 July 2015 16:01
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

This looks nicer I think (I haven't managed to sort the search box styles yet). Presumably we can fix a minimum width for the panel? Things get screwy when it is smaller than about 540 pixels. How wide is portrait view on a tablet?

I know these are small issues compared to a lot of things we've worked through lately, but for some users, the look and feel is really important and sometimes it's just a few small things that really make the difference.

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 July 2015 15:38
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

Not wedded to the search box being at the top.
Although I wondered about the How to, feedback and site links etc being in an orange menu to the right of the Sort menu and then leaving space for a centered logo panel in the footer.

Shouldn't the heading you've added by My Projects and left aligned?

Agree the middle panel should be wider by default and the left panel narrower to accommodate that.

Something like this mock up?

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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 July 2015 14:54
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

I was thinking it makes sense to have similar things in proximity. Both the search and the sort are to do with the workspace items, it makes sense to me to put these controls together.

Also this is a consistency thing: some tabs have titles, some don't. Either let's give them all titles, or let's lose the big header on the tabs altogether maybe: if it's not serving any purpose, why use the space? Also with this, the headers create a division / barrier between the projects and the controls to edit / properties etc. Previously these controls were much more clearly associated with the list of projects in the workspace. Could we put those buttons in the header perhaps? It does make sense that they are more closely associated with the project list, as the projects are the things they control.

By default the project details tab, the central one, doesn't look very nice as it's very narrow.

This is what we have now, which I like a lot: it's clean / FWS etc.
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And this is what we have in x3 which looks nice, but could still do with a few tweaks to make it really lovely:
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From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Ron Mitchell
Sent: 16 July 2015 14:44
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Re: Workspace Layout

I would leave the search box where it is but make it less wide and put the title to the left. It seems more inuititive to have the search at the top rather than the bottom.

From: xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk> [mailto:xerte-dev-bounces at lists.nottingham.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Julian Tenney
Sent: 16 July 2015 14:31
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Subject: [Xerte-dev] Workspace Layout

What do you think of the idea of moving the search box down next to the 'Sort your files' drop down, and then we can give all three tabs titles:

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